Tuning-Math archive - first upload

HI there,

Here is the first complete upload of the Tuning-Math
archive.

I'm posting this to tuning-math and also to the
main tuning forum. Did tuning-math first because
it is a smaller forum, so a smaller archive
to upload. But it will give an idea of how
the main tuning archive will be presented as well.

Here it is:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/index.html

Or to open it up showing the contents list right away:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/frame.html?index.html

Comments welcome. It is to be considered a beta of the
archive format and subject to possible change.

I thought I'd say something about how you link
to the content - as it is at present. This is also
subject to change, right now I think consider links
you make to the archvie as experimental. They may
not all work when I re-upload it in a week or two
from now. But once the format is decided I will
make it so that they will work from then on no
matter whether messages get added or more people
opt in - at least, for links to individual
messages within the archive.

So anyway here it is as it is now:

To link to an individual message,
you need to hide the contents list and then navigate to it
and you will see a url like this in the address bar:
http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/s___6/msg_5750-5774.html#5767

You can also link to an individual page and show it within
the contents list. Just navigate to the page,
hide the contents, then show it again, and you will now
see a url such as:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/frame.html?s___6/msg_5750-5774.html

Unfortunately, it seems you can't show
contents list + link to an individual message.
This url, which one might think would work,
only gets you the page and not the individual
message:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/frame.html?/s___6/msg_5750-5774.html#5767

I don't know if there is any work around for it yet.

Also in case you wonder about it - this can't be used
as a forum script at all.

The only way I can add messages to it is by uploading
the entire archive. That is for technical reasons
to do with the whole approach used to make it.
Add a single message and you will need to re-upload
MBs of html files to update the archive, and I don't
think it can be adapted to be interactive.
So, it is only usable as an archive maker after the event.

Questions like that however should be discussed
over in metatuning rather than here if anyone
wants to follow it up and discuss it more
- I've been discussing it with Kurt
already.

I'll leave it up for a while so we can discuss anything
that arises, & probably do the final upload
in a week or two. If you want to opt in be
sure to let me know as it is a large upload
and will only be done rarely.

Look out for the colouring of quoted posts
(idea of Kurt's) and the
option to look up links in
the wayback machine :-).

Robert

HI there,

Here is the first complete upload of the Tuning-Math
archive.

I'm posting this to tuning-math and also to the
main tuning forum. Did tuning-math first because
it is a smaller forum, so a smaller archive
to upload. But it will give an idea of how
the main tuning archive will be presented as well.

Here it is:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/index.html

Or to open it up showing the contents list right away:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/frame.html?index.html

Comments welcome. It is to be considered a beta of the
archive format and subject to possible change.

I thought I'd say something about how you link
to the content - as it is at present. This is also
subject to change, right now I think consider links
you make to the archvie as experimental. They may
not all work when I re-upload it in a week or two
from now. But once the format is decided I will
make it so that they will work from then on no
matter whether messages get added or more people
opt in - at least, for links to individual
messages within the archive.

So anyway here it is as it is now:

To link to an individual message,
you need to hide the contents list and then navigate to it
and you will see a url like this in the address bar:
http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/s___6/msg_5750-5774.html#5767

You can also link to an individual page and show it within
the contents list. Just navigate to the page,
hide the contents, then show it again, and you will now
see a url such as:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/frame.html?s___6/msg_5750-5774.html

Unfortunately, it seems you can't show
contents list + link to an individual message.
This url, which one might think would work,
only gets you the page and not the individual
message:

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/frame.html?/s___6/msg_5750-5774.html#5767

I don't know if there is any work around for it yet.

Also in case you wonder about it - this can't be used
as a forum script at all.

The only way I can add messages to it is by uploading
the entire archive. That is for technical reasons
to do with the whole approach used to make it.
Add a single message and you will need to re-upload
MBs of html files to update the archive, and I don't
think it can be adapted to be interactive.
So, it is only usable as an archive maker after the event.

Questions like that however should be discussed
over in metatuning rather than here if anyone
wants to follow it up and discuss it more
- I've been discussing it with Kurt
already.

I'll leave it up for a while so we can discuss anything
that arises, & probably do the final upload
in a week or two. If you want to opt in be
sure to let me know as it is a large upload
and will only be done rarely.

Look out for the colouring of quoted posts
(idea of Kurt's) and the
option to look up links in
the wayback machine :-).

I know the subject matter is of course
rather technical for tuning list
members. After leaving it up long enough
to get initial comments, I'll perhaps
do the last month or some such
for the main tuning list and
ask for comments on that too.

However, it is also a good one
to start with apart from size,
as that very technicalilty does mean tht
it may raise more issues such as
presentation and formatting#
and special characters
with fewer messages :-).

Robert

Hi there,

Forgot to say:

For help see the help section in
http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/about_this_archive.html

Also there is no zip yet. I'll leave that until later
- but can upload one right away if anyone particularly
wants it even for this beta version.

Robert

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Walker"
<robertwalker@n...> wrote:

> http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/index.html

Is it possible to do a keyword search in these archives? For instance,
would it be possible to search on "TOP complexity" and bring up a list
of posts which contain that phrase?

Hi Gene,

> Is it possible to do a keyword search in these archives? For instance,
> would it be possible to search on "TOP complexity" and bring up a list
> of posts which contain that phrase?

Yes!

I've done that, thanks for the suggestion.

http://www.robertinventor.com/tuning-math/search_tuning-math.html

It can find the first occurrence of the
phrase in one of the message pages, and can also list
all the occurrences - but you have to find the other ones
yourself.

It will scroll to show the message. It actually
scrolls it to the nearest bookmark before
the search phrase, so right now
it only gets you to the message and not to the
exact line. However I've added a unique bookmark
for every line, so with the next upload
of the entire archive, it will be able to scroll
to the exact line

<snip>

complete version of this message is
on metatuning.

Robert