CDR Recording Problems - Mac

Please forgive the length of this post, but since Brian pointed out that
CDR-writing technology isn't quite there, I figured I'd ask a friend who's been
monitoring the situation, if the Mac situation might be a little different.
Since Macs have been in the "DAW" (Digital Audio Workstation) market for several
years longer than PCs, perhaps the situation might be better.


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From: Bill Meadows, INTERNET:mrbill@fantasia.sps.mot.com
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Date: 3 Sep 1996 , 11:05 AM

RE: Re: CDR Recording Problems

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From: mrbill@fantasia.sps.mot.com (Bill Meadows )
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Well, given the temperment of some subscribers to daw-mac, if all CD-R burners
yielded 60% error rates, there would be fires, pipe-bombs and assasinations of
company execs!!!

The "image file" requirement seems to be dependent on both software and
hardware.
Generally 4x writes require it, 2x don't. I think I read recently that Toast
CD-Pro software may NOT require an image file (but I'm not sure if that's for
4x writes.) 4x writes do seem to require a lot of user overhead, and are very
dependent on fast hard drives, busses, uninterrupted CPU time, etc.

Multiple session writes seem to be hardware dependent, so machines support it,
some don't. Again, your software has to support it also. It apparently is NOT
highly recommended because certain track info is only written to disk when
you are done, so your file integrity is in jepardy until then. Handling the disk

between sessions could render it unusable.

>From what I can tell from daw-mac, seems like most people are happy with their
Yamaha CD-R, both CDE-100 and CDE-102 gets good marks. Digidesign MasterList CD
and Astarte Toast (various versions) also seem popular.

I have no idea about half-life. I've never heard any complaints, but who knows?
They ARE delicate, so storage and handling are important (who touches their
audio CDs anyway?)

Either Electronic Musicain or Keyboard (maybe both) recently ran an article
comparing various CD-R options.

Below are a few daw-mac related mesaages.

mr "I'm waiting for now" bill

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From: MMkrs@aol.com
Subject: Re: CD-R input
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:46:34 -0400

> We are starting the search for a new CD-R machine. It must be compatible
> with Toast and be able to write multi-sessions, audio only cds, enhanced
> cds, hybrid format Director projects, and of course do the standard cd
> archieve stuff. Anybody have an opinion/experience with such a beast?
> Please e-mail responses to michelet@lodgenet.com.

Yamaha CDE-100 with Toast CD-ROM Pro 3.0.

M. Hans Liebert
Music Makers, Inc.
NYC
mmkrs@aol.com
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From: Jeff Ulmer
Subject: Re: Masterlist CD or...
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:43:31 -0800
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>According to an Astarte distributor I spoke with at Macworld earlier this
>month, the next release (I don't recall the version number) is due sometime
>this fall, and it's feature set will be very similar to Masterlist CD.
>Price will be about US$450 (+/- my memory lapse). Owners of the current
>version of Toast CD-DA or Toast CD-ROM Pro will be offered a discounted
upgrade price. For more info, email

According to my latest price list, Masterlist CD has dropped in price to
$495 US. The only problem with the CD DA software is that it requires
Digi's sound drivers in order to play back through your Digi setup,
which in my case wouldn't work. I have used Toast for non audio stuff in
the past and it works well.



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From: "D. Davis"
Subject: Re: Backups, Jaz, CDR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 06:25:18 -0000
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

George Ludwig
>2. If I get a CDR it would be kinda handy for doing one-off CDs, and for
>backup purposes the media would be a lot cheaper. Guitar Center is currently
>selling the Yamaha CDR102 for 799.99 Does anyonehave any opinion on this?
>Also, Guitar Center will sell the Astarte CD ROM Pro software for 99.99 w/
>purchase of the CDR102 (stock it includes Toast software). Would I pretty
>much
>need the optional software or is the Toast software not lame?

The Yamaha is a great drive... very reliable and well made.

CD-ROM Pro is good but it is better for things like backups than it is
for audio discs. CD-DA is their audio disk software and is very nice.
With CD ROM Pro you have no control over PQ coding and such so you're
stuck with 2 second gaps and, I believe, track-at-once mode.

-d-

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From: nick@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu (Nick Yasillo)
Subject: CD-R drives/ Software
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 00:29 CDT


For anyone planning on purchasing a new CD burner or thinking of
getting some new CD-R software, there is a must-see article titled:
"CD Recordable Software, A Macintosh Compendium" published in
the June, 1996 issue of a magazine called CD-ROM Professional.
ISSN- 1049 - 0833, Online, Inc., 462 Danbury Road, Wilton CT
phone 203-761-1466

The (7) page article includes an excellent overview of all of the differences
between the various multimedia and audio formats. The best part of this
article, however, has to be the (2) full pages of Feature Comparison Charts
which show exactly which features in each of (8) CD-R programs will
work on each of (7) single disc CD-R burners and (6) jukeboxes.

Although some of the articles in this magazine are available on the net at:
http://www.onlineinc.com/cdrompro/index.html
this article is not included.

The classified ads in this mag are also worth taking a look at. There is an
outfit which will supply blank CDRs which have custom screen printing
already applied, and there are lots of sources of blank discs, with some at
prices as low as US $ 5.95 ea.

Hope this helps somebody.

Nick Yasillo


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From: ashdot@netvision.net.il (ashdot)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:12:01 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: Re: Sony CDR

>Does anyone know if the Sony CDU920s being offered for sale at 799.00 from ...

>is a useful (for audio) unit and is it a good buy?

Yes, we have one and use it all the time, both for CDROM back up and
Masterlist CD audio mastering.

Izhar

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Tel Aviv, Israel

Izhar's Home Page: http://shani.net/ashdot

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