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🔗"Jonathan M. Szanto" <jszanto@...>

8/22/1996 9:46:12 PM
Tunesmiths (re: Digest 815),

- Neil - Don't worry, Neil, I never expected everyone to agree. I sometimes
wonder in a case like this: is the argument not compelling, or am I a poor
communicator (since I don't feel that writing is my forte)? Elitism? I
think many of us have different definitions for that word. And as for "I
feel it's safe to say": I am living proof, over the last few weeks, that it
is rarely *safe* to say. Anyone remember Sir Larry Olivier in "Marathon
Man" asking Dustin Hoffman: "Is it safe?".

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- Enrique - Great analysis; you managed to whittle down to some of the
essences. I would only make these brief responses...

1) Optimally, yes.
2) Yes, by induction.
3)
a) I don't think I have talked much about recordings. I believe they serve
as documentation, therefore if they document a dilution of Partch (read:
transcription), then they document that dilution; if they document a valid
performance, then they do just that, but are a poor substitute for a live
performance.
b) Yes.
c) Certainly.
d) In league with a).
e) I haven't ruled this out, have I? When I win the next California Lotto,
I will personally fund as many duplicate Ensembles as I can.
4. Key phrase you use: "as the composer intended", which to me is of
paramount importance. A true sense? Probably, with recordings and videos
giving but a taste of the total picture.
5. The $64,000 question... I just *know* that somewhere, someone is
thinking that I am the Dr. Kevorkian of Partchiana. In my youth, I espoused
a truly non-committal view of this. I am pondering alternatives, though
none have cropped up just yet (see Lotto reference).
6. What about the fumes? Partch repair-persons getting high on the job,
having kids with 7 arms (makes playing those wicked Chromelodeon parts
easier...) -- where will it all end? (Is the 'plastics' another reference
to Dustin Hoffman, in "The Graduate"?)

Thanks for making me feel totally inadequate, posting in from CCRMA !

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- Bruce - Interesting thoughts on the recordings/transcriptions idea. The
kicker was your last "won't solve the corporeality problem"; that does it
for me. I would like to see the entire body of work represented in
documentary form (i.e. recording, video, etc.) in terms of preservation. It
would certainly allow knowledgable listeners the choice - "Ain't nothing
like the real thing, baby...". (Man, we have *got* to get Sony to
re-release the 2 Columbia albums) Thanks for your thoughts on visiting the
instruments at SDSU. This was the atmosphere that most anyone felt during
their time out here in San Diego . And what synth version of "Yankee"?

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Thanks, all. Education, online...
Cheers,
Jon
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🔗Steve Curtin <curtin@...>

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All this talk about Harry Partch makes me wonder about some things...

First off, if this keeps up maybe we should split off the mailing list
between partch@eartha.mills.edu and tuning@eartha.mills.edu :). This very
entertaining and informative flame-war between Jon and Johnny is starting to
crowd out discussions of the subject in general. Certainly Harry himself
would say that he's not the first person who ever did tuning, merely
following a very ancient and venerable tradition.

He's certainly not the last either. This almost religious concern about
what Harry might or might not have wanted is fine for people wanting to
reproduce and sustain the body of work created by this amazing person.
However, what about living people making Just and N-ET music? What about
current tuning theory and musical applications of same? Who is Partch's
heir? I guess in a sense we are. I'd be curious to hear about where
Partch's theories have been taken and if any extensions have been made to
them, or any new music has been made using them. Other Music is one group
that comes to mind. Newband is another.

🔗Gary Morrison <71670.2576@...>

8/24/1996 10:16:20 PM
I would think that Chris Forster would be one of several good candidates for
an heir to Partch's traditions. Although his work is perhaps not all that
famous, Chris built upon Partch's ideas in terms of sounds (both with regard to
tuning and not), and their visual impact as well.


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