TUNING digest 1352

tuning@eartha.mills.edu wrote:

> TUNING Digest 1352
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: TUNING digest 1351
> by Brent_LeVasseur/InTouch_Center@itc.tais.com
> 2) RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music
> by "Collins, Gordon"
> 3) Greek scales and names confusion????
> by Charles Lucy
> 4) RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music
> by alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves)
> 5) Theremin Music and Tesla Lightning!
> by sejic@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (World Harmony Project Inc.)
>
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> Topic No. 1
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:57:02 -0700
> From: Brent_LeVasseur/InTouch_Center@itc.tais.com
> To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: TUNING digest 1351
> Message-ID: <882565C5.006D934C.00@cairvmail.itc.tais.com>
>
> 3 leads today so far
>
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> Topic No. 2
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:55:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Collins, Gordon"
> To: "tuning@eartha.mills.edu"
> Subject: RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music
> Message-ID: <3507B198@fsdsmtpgw.fsd.jhuapl.edu>
>
> Gordon Rumson wrote:
>
> >... what
> >temperament would be suitable for English Virginal music? I just played
> >through a Fantasy ut, re mi etc, by John Bull from the Fitzwilliam
> >collection. There is a note:
> >
> >'This interesting experiment in enharmonic modulation is thus
> tentatively
> >expressed in the MS; the passage proves that some kind of "equal
> >temperament" must have been employed at this date.'
> >
> >I doubt that it proves that. But what temperament would have been
> >characteristic of the time?
>
> Quarter-comma meantone was nearly universal for keyboards at the time,
> and would be most appropriate for all of the Virginalist repertoire with
> one exception - that single piece by Bull. There's nothing tentative
> about the enharmonic equivalence it assumes. Among other things, there
> is an A - Db - E chord that must be considered the same as A - C# - E.
> Thus an extension to meantone would not work.
>
> It certainly does not require equal temperament - any 12-note circulating
> one will do. Personally, I think ET was most likely what Bull had in
> mind. Mersenne had not yet published his string length figures, but as
> far as I am aware ET was the only circulating temperament being discussed
> at the time.
>
> There was a discussion on the harpsichord list a while ago on what
> temperament to use for this piece. Various people have successfully used
> everything from ET to one (the name of which escapes me at the moment)
> with 10 pure fifths and two 1/2-Pythagorean comma fifths.
>
> Bull's fantasy was a one-time exception to the use of quarter-comma
> meantone, not to be repeated for almost a century. Perhaps he did tune
> ET for the piece, but no one liked the sound of it?
>
> Gordon Collins
> gordon_collins@jhuapl.edu
>
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>
> Topic No. 3
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:23:19 -1000 (HST)
> From: Charles Lucy
> To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu
> Subject: Greek scales and names confusion????
> Message-ID:
>
> One of the visitors at my http://www.ilhawaii.net/~lucy site sent me the
> following comments.
>
> >According to an article on Greece in the New Grove Dictionary of Music and
> >Musicians, ancient Greek names for species of the octave included the
> following (on white keys):
> >B-B: Mixolydian
> >E-E: Dorian
> >A-A: Hypodorian
> >D-D: Phrygian
> >G-G: Hypophrygian
> >C-C: Lydian
> >F-F: Hypolydian
> >Apparently, the Greeks counted intervals from top to bottom. When medieval
> >ecclesiastical scholars tried to interpret the ancient texts, they counted
> >from bottom to top, jumbling the information. The names on the table are the
> >ecclesiastical names.
>
> I checked back in Groves on scales,at the Westminster Music Library near
> Victoria Station yesterday, yet am
> still confused.
> Can any of the tuning "experts" throw any light on this conundrum please?
> For the complete letter please see
> http://www.ilhawaii.net/~lucy/lsd/corrections.html
>
> TIA
> Lucy
> http://www.ilhawaii.net/~lucy
>
>
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>
> Topic No. 4
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:43:52 -0800
> From: alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves)
> To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu
> Subject: RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music
> Message-ID:
>
> >Bull's fantasy was a one-time exception to the use of quarter-comma
> >meantone, not to be repeated for almost a century. Perhaps he did tune
> >ET for the piece, but no one liked the sound of it?
>
> One other possibility that has been proposed for this piece is that it was
> intended for a double manual harpsichord with the two manuals tuned
> differently. As I recall, the piece does not mix flats and sharps at the
> same time, allowing one manual to be tuned for flat keys (say, meantone
> centered on Eb) and the other for sharp keys (say, meantone centered on A).
>
> Bill
>
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> Topic No. 5
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:36:50 -0500
> From: sejic@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (World Harmony Project Inc.)
> To: World Harmony Project
> Subject: Theremin Music and Tesla Lightning!
> Message-ID: <199803131436.JAA37608@ufl.edu>
>
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> End of TUNING Digest 1352
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Jim Flannery writes:

>Aside from jazz- and blues- oriented stuff, I'm having
>trouble answering this question ... can anybody offhand list
>some people doing detwelvulated *pop music* ... i.e. "songs"
>in some kind of (fairly extended into folk- and
>psychedelic-, knowing the guy who's asking the question)
>"rock context"?

Microtonal guitarist
Jon Catler has had a few groups that might fit that description.

The most recent:
The Catler Bros "Crash Landing" - instrumental jazz rock with
a early '70's - late '60's feel.
And his band Birdhouse (guitar, vocals, percussion & flute)
is a mix of different styles from blues and rock to art song.

I mention these because the melodies are so hooky - so memorable.


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>can anybody offhand list some people doing detwelvulated *pop music*

Elaine Mullen (formerly Elaine Walker) and her group "Zia" does pretty
much pop music in 19TET, 10TET, and Pierce-Bohlen.