TUNING digest 1034

I wonder where I could read about the basics of tunning.
Can I experiment with tunning myself ? I play clarinet and saxophone, and I
got an piano keyboard.

Iunderstand, though that tunning means reducing the number of tones per one
octave,
and one example is the chineese pentatonic scales, which have only five
notes (however cover the same frequencies in total). After this process,
whould the general theory applied to the newly coinstructed octave or there
is some other theory ?

In the various messages I saw mention a crod as a/b (e.g. 1/7). WHat does
this mean ?

And the last question: those who compose with all these different tunnings,
is the music you is normal ? Or in the other way: does tunning give an
alterbative way
to reach some common musical style in a faster way ? Is it just enother way
to solve and exersize ?

thanks









At 07:42 AM 4/3/97 -0800, you wrote:
> TUNING Digest 1034
>
>Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: Music therapy, metaphysics
> by alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves)
> 2) Reply to Mark N.
> by John Chalmers
> 3) Re: Music therapy, metaphysics
> by "Jo A. Hainline"
> 4) Guitar Player May '97
> by Aline Surman
> 5) NPD 36 -answers &comments
> by Andrzej Gawel
> 6) Re: waking up to music
> by mr88cet@texas.net (Gary Morrison)
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Topic No. 1
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:15:19 -0800 (PST)
>From: alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves)
>To: tuning
>Subject: Re: Music therapy, metaphysics
>Message-ID:
>
>I would like to second John's comments about the cultural relativism of the
>effects of music. I've sometimes wondered how 18th-century European
>philosophers, so disturbed over the question of variation of taste, would
>respond to the startling differences in interpretation of music between
>cultures.
>
>Wayne Vitale brought up a good example of this subjectivity: the Balinese
>gamelan angklung. This 4-tone per octave ensemble plays some of the most
>bright, lively, wonderfully happy melodies on the island, and yet it is
>associated with death rites and cremations. The Balinese explained to Wayne
>that they find the melodies melancholy, not bright or happy at all.
>
>On the other hand, if anyone wants to make a fast buck, there are Chinese
>modes and tones that, in their metaphysical music theory, are supposed to
>promote weight loss. I think a CD of this music, promoted in the right way,
>would be a big seller.
>
>(Please note that I'm not trying to be flip about the belief systems of the
>Chinese, just Western tabloid exploitation and shallowness.)
>
>Bill
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Topic No. 2
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:28:02 -0800 (PST)
>From: John Chalmers
>To: tuning
>Subject: Reply to Mark N.
>Message-ID:
>
>Mark N: You're right, what Mark Rankin was referring to is the triangular
>graph in the 3x5 plane. It's called triaxial because it can be constructed
>with three axes as 120 degrees (3's, 5's and 6/5-5/3's). Three-D graphs
>or their planar projections can be constructed as a centered triangular
>graph or as a more common rectilinear type with the 7's axis at about
>30 degrees. David Doty in his JI Primer, Carter Scholz (including Ji Calc),
>Paul Erlich, Erv Wilson in his writings, etc. have all used such
>lattices and higher homologs.
>
>--John
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Topic No. 3
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:45:18 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Jo A. Hainline"
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: Music therapy, metaphysics
>Message-ID:
>
>
>
>On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, John Chalmers wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyway, I don't want to belabor my skepticism regarding the value of
>> music therapy, particularly for organic illness. I recall the late
>> Ivor Darreg once getting a phone call from an acquaintance who announced
>> that he had just discovered the ultimate laxative theme. Prudence or
>> good taste, alas, prevented Darreg from recording it, so it's been lost
>> to posterity.
>>
>> Basically, I think music should be a treat rather than a treatment. I'm
>> willing to listen to good music on its own merits regardless of its
>> underlying metaphysics.
>>
>
>John, I feel the effects of music, though sometimes extremely apparent,
>more often are on the level of tobacco smoke or asbestos--occasional
>exposure having seemingly little effect, some not being effected at all,
>while long term exposure seems to eventually have drastic consequences.
>
>I hope that interested individuals won't be kept from reading David Tame's
>book based on several of the posted reviews. I believe his main thesis is
>that music has a great influence on the civilization and culture which
>creates it. He analyzes Chinese, Western, and Indian music traditions,
>and to some extent pre Greek and Greek music. There is much material
>which is thought provoking, though his conclusions are rather sweeping and
>general. I believe it is unfair to interpret his thoughts as
>racially biased, although he is hard on most "modern" Western music,
>including jazz and R&R. Should one dismiss Indian ragas
>because they believe Indian culture at one time condones(d) the caste
>system and abuse of women?
>
>Bruce Kanzelmeyer
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Topic No. 4
>
>Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 00:01:57 -0800
>From: Aline Surman
>To: tuning
>Subject: Guitar Player May '97
>Message-ID: <334363F5.651A@dnvr.uswest.net>
>
>Buzz Feiten, who has invented a system for supposedly intonating 12 equal
>guitars better, wrote a letter to Guitar Player in the May 97 issue that
>members of this forum shoul read, and hopefully respond to...it was, sad
>to say, very misleading, and made little real sense. However, it leaves
>an opening for correction by letters to the editor...could be a golden
>opportunity to get GP involved in the whole issue of tunings...Hstick
>
>------------------------------
>
>Topic No. 5
>
>Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 12:53:43 -0800
>From: Andrzej Gawel
>To: tuning
>Subject: NPD 36 -answers &comments
>Message-ID: <334418D7.18F9@sejm.gov.pl>
>
>Dear Tuning Readers,
>Here's next info from Tom.
>Andrew Gawel.
>----------------------------------
>I am very glad that letter was understood. In result of it Paul E.
>played litlle >
>progression very nice:
>
>> Here is a little progression using Tomasz's letter names, M indicates a> >
>> 4:5:6:7 chord (4 is the root), and m indicates a 1/7:1/6:1/5:1/4 chord >(1/6 >
>> is the root)
>
>> CM Om TM Em QM Vm GM CM
>
>> 00-02-04-04-02-04-06-00
>
>> 12-14-12-12-14-16-14-12
>
>> 21-21-19-21-23-23-21-21
>
>> 29-29-31-33-31-31-33-29
>
>Paul exploid two importance sorts of chords and named then M and m.
>I propose to give the names 12 basic sorts of chords:
>C or CEGO = 0+12+9+8
>c or CRenGOen = 0+9+12+7
>Cd or CYGOen = 0+11+10+7
>Cm or CRGO = 0+10+11+8
>C* or CYGenOen = 0+11+9+8
>c* or CRenGenOen = 0+9+11=8
>Ct or CETO = 0+12+7+10
>ct or CRenTOen = 0+9+10+9
>Ctd or CYTOen = 0+11+8+9
>Ctm or CRTO = 0+10+9+10
>C� or CLGO = 0+14+7+8
>c� or CLenGOen = 0+13+8+7.
>
>John asked:
>> Has Tomasz composed any music in this system? Why did he decide on the >cycle of >1152/octave?
>
>The cycle of 1152/octave give possibility optaining intervals up to
>h26.These intervals
> is neccessary to making interesingsound chains. Example: h6+h7+...+h26
>= 9/8 = h2. The >
>cycle of 768/octave give possibility optaing intervals up to h14.
>I spend not many effort for composition but createt many sounds
>examples. >
>NPD 36 means Natural Beauty Sound.
>
>Regards,
>Tomasz Liese.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Topic No. 6
>
>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:02:59 -0600 (CST)
>From: mr88cet@texas.net (Gary Morrison)
>To: tuning
>Subject: Re: waking up to music
>Message-ID:
>
> It kinda makes you wonder if any of the construction workers had the
>time to hear what you heard.
>
>
>
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>
>End of TUNING Digest 1034
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