Vatican II

Long live Vatican II and the revised canonical law!
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> > The Catholics used to forbid usury.
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> Why do you suppose they stopped?

I don't know. Maybe the survival of the religion
depended on it.

-Carl

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likwise i wonder how many 'Islamic States" would mohammed be happy with

Ozan Yarman wrote:

>Long live Vatican II and the revised canonical law!
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Muhammed Sallallahualeyhiwassallim, God's last viceregent on Earth, the Praised and Noble (may Allah bless him) would probably be quite unhappy with the lot. Moreover, he would be far less pleased that people like you remain disbelievers and that some `muslims` living abroad choose to moderate themselves to appease people like yourself.

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Subject: Re: [metatuning] Vatican II

likwise i wonder how many 'Islamic States" would mohammed be happy with

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how do you know what i believe in ?
i expect no one to appease me.
in fact i would find it rather crowded

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>Muhammed Sallallahualeyhiwassallim, God's last viceregent on Earth, the Praised and Noble (may Allah bless him) would probably be quite unhappy with the lot. Moreover, he would be far less pleased that people like you remain disbelievers and that some `muslims` living abroad choose to moderate themselves to appease people like yourself.
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In a message dated 11/2/2005 7:59:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ozanyarman@... writes:
Moreover, he would be far less pleased that people like you remain
disbelievers and that some `muslims` living abroad choose to moderate themselves to
appease people like yourself.

Ozan, would it be fair to say you are an extremist? Also, I thought Muslims
had no problems with following the laws of any nation in which they live?

Johnny

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Inquiry:

how do you know what i believe in ?

Answer:

Allah knows best what you may or may not believe in. We are limited in our ability to discern your position, although we are not altogether incapable at making educated guesses based on your loutish remarks.

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Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 3:41
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Vatican II

how do you know what i believe in ?
i expect no one to appease me.
in fact i would find it rather crowded

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>Muhammed Sallallahualeyhiwassallim, God's last viceregent on Earth, the Praised and Noble (may Allah bless him) would probably be quite unhappy with the lot. Moreover, he would be far less pleased that people like you remain disbelievers and that some `muslims` living abroad choose to moderate themselves to appease people like yourself.
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Johnny,
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Ozan, would it be fair to say you are an extremist?

My faith is not extreme. Allah willing, to follow the codes of piety in Islam is far from radicalism. I am more properly what the English-speaking world could define as "fundamentalist", unless of course, it happens that I am more a phylacterical tartuffian than I realize. Nevertheless, I hope in earnest that the Grace and Favor of my Lord shall prevent me from going astray.

Also, I thought Muslims
had no problems with following the laws of any nation in which they live?

Be informed that the devout will never settle for anything less than full autonomy, and shall labor to acquire it by whatever means possible as necessitated by the religion of Islam. Less scrupulous muslims are expected to succumb to subterfuge and deception in order to realize those goals. Only those believers going through this transitory stage or `moderate` muslims living at large shall reject or seem to reject the commands of Allah (however temporarily) and agree to settle their judicial matters according to laws of Western courts. Eventually, Islamic Shariah is the backbone of the muslim ummah, which MUST be established for their solidarity and protection. Whether or not this goal is postponed, or altogether evaded by muslim communities in North America is another question which I cannot currently answer.

Cordially,
Ozan

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what a pig you are. talk about disrespect.
Allah has taught you nothing . you don't believe in any thing but doing what you are told.
What emptiness you expect to save the world

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> >Muhammed Sallallahualeyhiwassallim, God's last viceregent on Earth, the Praised and Noble (may Allah bless him) would probably be quite unhappy with the lot. Moreover, he would be far less pleased that people like you remain disbelievers and that some `muslims` living abroad choose to moderate themselves to appease people like yourself.
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Mind your manners Kraig. You are very obnoxious and rude. Your remarks were indeed ill-mannered and coarse, and still are, whether you like me saying it or not.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kraig Grady
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Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 10:27
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Vatican II

what a pig you are. talk about disrespect.
Allah has taught you nothing . you don't believe in any thing but doing
what you are told.
What emptiness you expect to save the world

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Thank you, Ozan, for the straightfoward explanation below.

However, my take is that Western governments should immediately ban further
immigration of "fundamentalists muslims" for the very reasons you expose.

This explanation makes a lot of sense, but it is little understood. In other
words, if there is no permanency to Islamic visitors to Western countries,
then there is no expectation of Sharia being required. Unless, it matter little
and Islam seeks to conquer all countries in the world in its own time. That
would be a correct interpretation, no?

Johnny

In a message dated 11/2/2005 11:29:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ozanyarman@... writes:
Be informed that the devout will never settle for anything less than full
autonomy, and shall labor to acquire it by whatever means possible as
necessitated by the religion of Islam. Less scrupulous muslims are expected to succumb to
subterfuge and deception in order to realize those goals. Only those
believers going through this transitory stage or `moderate` muslims living at large
shall reject or seem to reject the commands of Allah (however temporarily) and
agree to settle their judicial matters according to laws of Western courts.
Eventually, Islamic Shariah is the backbone of the muslim ummah, which MUST be
established for their solidarity and protection. Whether or not this goal is
postponed, or altogether evaded by muslim communities in North America is another
question which I cannot currently answer.

Cordially,
Ozan

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Dear Ozan,

frappant?
sacredotalism?
phylacterical tartuffian?

What English dictionary are you using?

I can figure out what you mean by "phylacterical tartuffian",
but it does seem to be a phrase you coined yourself ...
so metatuning has its own resident Shakespeare.

But I pride myself on my knowledge of English vocabulary,
and i have *no* idea what you mean by the first two terms!

Anyway, they sure are colorful! ;-)

Reminds me of the old days, back when i was first
learning about ancient Greek tuning theory:

hypaton ... diezeugmenon ... proslambanomenos ...

(which, BTW, is exactly what got me started on what is now
the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia.)

-monz

look in the mirror my man

Ozan Yarman wrote:

>Mind your manners Kraig. You are very obnoxious and rude. Your remarks were indeed ill-mannered and coarse, and still are, whether you like me saying it or not.
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> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kraig Grady > To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 10:27 > Subject: Re: [metatuning] Vatican II
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Hi Monz!
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Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 17:26
Subject: [metatuning] Ozan's English vocabulary

Dear Ozan,

frappant?
sacredotalism?
phylacterical tartuffian?

What English dictionary are you using?

Microsoft Bookshelf British Reference Collection English Dictionary and Thesaurus.

I can figure out what you mean by "phylacterical tartuffian",
but it does seem to be a phrase you coined yourself ...

Indeed. One needs to humble oneself even to the point of suspecting whether he is absolutely sincere in everything he says or not. Allah knows, I do not. But heavens! I try...

so metatuning has its own resident Shakespeare.

Me? My lexical shimmer is just a grumpy muslim's ranting, but that man... he was an examplary God-fearing artist of the first degree, a dazzling literary genius only equalled perhaps by Thomas Middleton.

But I pride myself on my knowledge of English vocabulary,
and i have *no* idea what you mean by the first two terms!

Anyway, they sure are colorful! ;-)

Thanks. It is the best I can do considering the morose cynicism I caddy around everywhere with me, no doubt a means I concocted to ridicule the vainglorious ostentation of pretentious disbelievers who think so highly of themselves to the brink of repudiating the revelations of their Lord.

Reminds me of the old days, back when i was first
learning about ancient Greek tuning theory:

hypaton ... diezeugmenon ... proslambanomenos ...

(which, BTW, is exactly what got me started on what is now
the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia.)

So, when will you start an article on key and maqam?

-monz

Oz.

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> Mind your manners Kraig. You are very obnoxious and rude.
> Your remarks were indeed ill-mannered and coarse, and still
> are, whether you like me saying it or not.

Ozan, you have made many potentially offensive statements in
these threads, including that Kraig has made loutish remarks
(in a context that sounded to me like you were calling him a
lout).

-Carl