Get down from your pedestal and smell the flowers

I shall answer to nothing put in demanding tones, unless the questions are humble and unpresumptuous. I repent in reverance to my Lord. Without His Favor, I am truly lost.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Krister Johnson
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02 Kas�m 2005 �ar�amba 19:08
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: another metatuning meltdown

On Wednesday 02 November 2005 6:15 am, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> We kill only those aggressors who attempt to take our lives in their hatred
> and persecute the poor believers.

If you are talking about terrorists, this is simply untrue. The targeting of
innocent civilians is the goal of Al-Queda and Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah.

Daniel Pearl was an innocent Jewish civilian journalist when his head was cut
off.

I dare you say here publicly that that brutal act was justified.

> And we do not kill them anymore after
> they are subjugated by us, nor do we force upon them our belief.

And what of the poor believers of Islam killed by the Taliban? Women who
talked out of turn, or were seen outside at the wrong time publically?
How is that not enforced belief?

Do you too, think that women count as 1/3 a person?

> They are
> to pay the jizya (tribute) though, as a recompense for all the evils they
> and their progeny inflicted upon us.
>
> Monz, if you believed for a moment that we `Koran-waving pinheads` are
> bloodthirsty barbarians, you are more naive than I thought. Shame.

It remains to be seen how blood-thirsty any of you are, until you reveal your
true opinions about any high-profile news event related to terrorism. I've
sensed quite a bit of mildly tempered 'sword rhetoric/terrorism is justified'
from you.

Tell us what you think about:
9/11
Israel's right to exist in the Middle East
the political justification of killing innocents
Jews
Bin Laden
Atheists
Homosexuals
The true role of Women

It is telling that it took several years for American muslims as a whole to
issue a 'fatwa' against the perpetrators of 9/11 and terror as a whole. What
took so long, since Islam is a 'peaceful religion'?

Any religion or practice that so freely talks of 'killing' loses my repect....

Buddhism is the philosophy or tradition (not really a theist religion) that
has values closest to mine: non-violence and respect for life in all its
forms.

Ozan, it still appears that your best arguments for why 'Allah is glorious'
boil down to 'because he can crush you in an instant' or some variation of
that. It makes what is divine boil down to the same aesthetics as a
pro-wrestling match, where "My God can beat up your God". And might, IMO,
doesn't make right.

-Aaron.

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