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> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:26:26 +0200
> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...>
> Subject: Re: The Pentagon's New Map
>
> Fox News Fib Alert: Bubblegum sales are forbidden in Tehran.
>

Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching, feeling, people
chewing gum.

Another question, for anybody: Someone, Is there a religion that bans
profiting off of another man's labor? Is there a religion that bans capitalism?

surrealism?
--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Bailey <chris@m...>
wrote:
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> > Message: 25
> > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:26:26 +0200
> > From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
> > Subject: Re: The Pentagon's New Map
> >
> > Fox News Fib Alert: Bubblegum sales are forbidden in Tehran.
> >
>
>
> Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching, feeling,
people
> chewing gum.
>
> Another question, for anybody: Someone, Is there a religion that
bans
> profiting off of another man's labor? Is there a religion that
bans capitalism?
>

> Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching,
> feeling, people chewing gum.

Howabout playing chess? They ban that too.

> Another question, for anybody: Someone, Is there a
> religion that bans profiting off of another man's labor?
> Is there a religion that bans capitalism?

The Catholics used to forbid usury.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:

> The Catholics used to forbid usury.
>
> -Carl
>

Why do you suppose they stopped?

i believe islam bans lending money for profit

Christopher Bailey wrote:

>> >> Message: 25
>> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:26:26 +0200
>> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...>
>> Subject: Re: The Pentagon's New Map >>
>>Fox News Fib Alert: Bubblegum sales are forbidden in Tehran.
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>Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching, feeling, people >chewing gum.
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>Another question, for anybody: Someone, Is there a religion that bans >profiting off of another man's labor? Is there a religion that bans capitalism? >
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remember i posted the pound poem on this subject recently

Carl Lumma wrote:

>>Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching,
>>feeling, people chewing gum.
>> >>
>
>Howabout playing chess? They ban that too.
>
> >
>>Another question, for anybody: Someone, Is there a
>>religion that bans profiting off of another man's labor?
>>Is there a religion that bans capitalism?
>> >>
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>The Catholics used to forbid usury.
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>-Carl
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02 Kas�m 2005 �ar�amba 8:03
Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum

> Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching,
> feeling, people chewing gum.

Howabout playing chess? They ban that too.

I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board games.

> Another question, for anybody: Someone, Is there a
> religion that bans profiting off of another man's labor?
> Is there a religion that bans capitalism?

The Catholics used to forbid usury.

Islam also forbids usury.

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
wrote:
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> I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board games.
>

I'll bet you're quite good, too.

Fair warning, kids. Don't take him on in chess or backgammon, unless
you REALLY know what you're doing! :-)

P

Pete, I'm not your living nightmare, I'm a humble muslim practicing my faith.

Cordially,
Ozan

----- Original Message -----
From: ambassadorbob
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02 Kas�m 2005 �ar�amba 17:38
Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
wrote:
>
> I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board games.
>

I'll bet you're quite good, too.

Fair warning, kids. Don't take him on in chess or backgammon, unless
you REALLY know what you're doing! :-)

P

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
wrote:

Of course not. Not at all. I meant that to be a compliment, in the
sense that I wouldn't be at all surprised if a tournament or
friendly contest would be most entertaining.

Pete

>
> Pete, I'm not your living nightmare, I'm a humble muslim
practicing my faith.
>
> Cordially,
> Ozan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ambassadorbob
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 02 Kasým 2005 Çarþamba 17:38
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum
>
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman"
<ozanyarman@s...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board
games.
> >
>
> I'll bet you're quite good, too.
>
> Fair warning, kids. Don't take him on in chess or backgammon,
unless
> you REALLY know what you're doing! :-)
>
> P
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Fantastic. What do you think of Christian Orthodoxy if I may ever so humbly ask?

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: ambassadorbob
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02 Kas�m 2005 �ar�amba 20:57
Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
wrote:

Of course not. Not at all. I meant that to be a compliment, in the
sense that I wouldn't be at all surprised if a tournament or
friendly contest would be most entertaining.

Pete

>
> Pete, I'm not your living nightmare, I'm a humble muslim
practicing my faith.
>
> Cordially,
> Ozan

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>> > Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching,
>> > feeling, people chewing gum.
>>
>> Howabout playing chess? They ban that too.
>
>
> I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board
> games.

Looks like more of a Shia thing:

http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129

-Carl

Newsflash: Ayatollahs or their decrees do not bind Sunni muslims.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma
To: metatuning@...m
Sent: 02 Kas�m 2005 �ar�amba 23:22
Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum

>> > Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching,
>> > feeling, people chewing gum.
>>
>> Howabout playing chess? They ban that too.
>
>
> I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board
> games.

Looks like more of a Shia thing:

http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129

-Carl

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possibly the prohibition lies in the occult significance
of the game.

Ozan Yarman wrote:

>Newsflash: Ayatollahs or their decrees do not bind Sunni muslims.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Lumma > To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 02 Kas�m 2005 �ar�amba 23:22 > Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum
>
>
> >> > Good for them. I can't stand seeing, smelling, watching,
> >> > feeling, people chewing gum.
> >>
> >> Howabout playing chess? They ban that too.
> > > >
> > I'm an excellent player of chess, backgammon and other board
> > games.
>
> Looks like more of a Shia thing:
>
> http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129
>
> -Carl
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Ozan,

I really don't know, yet. It's the next item on my theological
agenda, so to speak. But I hope to have something to say about it
very soon. It seems very beautiful and deep from this somewhat
convenient distance.

I have a little (old? 1966) book at hand that I haven't really
looked at, because it's I think it's extremely compact, and seems to
require complete alert concentration to read.

It's called _Introduction to Liturgical Theology_, by Alexander
Schmemann.

Regards,

Pete

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...>
wrote:

>
> Fantastic. What do you think of Christian Orthodoxy if I may ever
so humbly ask?
>
> Cordially,
> Ozan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ambassadorbob
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 02 Kasým 2005 Çarþamba 20:57
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum
>
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman"
<ozanyarman@s...>
> wrote:
>
> Of course not. Not at all. I meant that to be a compliment, in
the
> sense that I wouldn't be at all surprised if a tournament or
> friendly contest would be most entertaining.
>
> Pete
>
> >
> > Pete, I'm not your living nightmare, I'm a humble muslim
> practicing my faith.
> >
> > Cordially,
> > Ozan
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

And because Jews like Kasparov play it so well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kraig Grady
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 0:13
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: gum

possibly the prohibition lies in the occult significance
of the game.

Ozan Yarman wrote:

>Newsflash: Ayatollahs or their decrees do not bind Sunni muslims.
>

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well then Bobby Fisher attitudes toward jews should have dispelled that

Ozan Yarman wrote:

>And because Jews like Kasparov play it so well?
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kraig Grady > To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 0:13 > Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: gum
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> possibly the prohibition lies in the occult significance
> of the game.
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> Ozan Yarman wrote:
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>Newsflash: Ayatollahs or their decrees do not bind Sunni muslims.

Yes, I knew that, which is why I said it was a "Shia thing".
Plus, the "they" of the original message referred to Muslims
in power in Tehran.

> And because Jews like Kasparov play it so well?

According to this page...

http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/religion.htm

...all three God-of-Abraham religions have forbidden chess
at various times. The reasons given seem to center around the
fact that it was once a common subject of gambling (still is
in places like Washington Square Park). I suppose it is
easier to determine if two individuals are playing chess
than if they are engaged in a wager.

-Carl

> well then Bobby Fisher attitudes toward jews should have
> dispelled that

By all accounts Fischer is jewish.

-Carl

> > The Catholics used to forbid usury.
>
> Why do you suppose they stopped?

I don't know. Maybe the survival of the religion
depended on it.

-Carl

Apparently news didn't get around, or Ayatullahs just didn't care anymore to update the decree.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kraig Grady
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 0:51
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: gum

well then Bobby Fisher attitudes toward jews should have dispelled that

Ozan Yarman wrote:

>And because Jews like Kasparov play it so well?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kraig Grady
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 0:13
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: gum
>
>
> possibly the prohibition lies in the occult significance
> of the game.
>
> Ozan Yarman wrote:
>
> >Newsflash: Ayatollahs or their decrees do not bind Sunni muslims.
> >

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yes like many genius, also insane!

Carl Lumma wrote:

>>well then Bobby Fisher attitudes toward jews should have
>>dispelled that
>> >>
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>By all accounts Fischer is jewish.
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>-Carl
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> http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129

In fact at least as disturbing as the banning of the
divine game of chess, is this:

"...when we do not know the reason behind the forbiddenness of
an act, we are bound to obey in absolute obedience. There is a
reason for it, but we do not know it and when we do not know it,
it does not mean that we should not abide by it."

Yes, yes, take our word for it. Don't think for yourself.

-Carl

Balderdash. We muslims are encouraged to judge for ourselves whether or not an act is in agreement with Islamic morals and codes. I see nothing wrong with chess or backgammon, lest the pursuit of such become an obsession which prevents the remembrance of Allah. Even then, it would only be a moderate sin, not an outright crime, and there would be no justification for a ban, but a personal reprimand. The Shia have gone over the edge with their Fatwas and subsequent insubordination paranoia. It just shows their exaggerated insecurity concerning their faith in Allah.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 8:18
Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum

> http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129

In fact at least as disturbing as the banning of the
divine game of chess, is this:

"...when we do not know the reason behind the forbiddenness of
an act, we are bound to obey in absolute obedience. There is a
reason for it, but we do not know it and when we do not know it,
it does not mean that we should not abide by it."

Yes, yes, take our word for it. Don't think for yourself.

-Carl

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I'm glad to hear it.

-Carl

> Balderdash. We muslims are encouraged to judge for ourselves
> whether or not an act is in agreement with Islamic morals and
> codes. I see nothing wrong with chess or backgammon, lest the
> pursuit of such become an obsession which prevents the
> remembrance of Allah. Even then, it would only be a moderate
> sin, not an outright crime, and there would be no justification
> for a ban, but a personal reprimand. The Shia have gone over
> the edge with their Fatwas and subsequent insubordination
> paranoia. It just shows their exaggerated insecurity concerning
> their faith in Allah.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Lumma
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 03 Kasým 2005 Perþembe 8:18
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum
>
>> http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129
>
> In fact at least as disturbing as the banning of the
> divine game of chess, is this:
>
> "...when we do not know the reason behind the forbiddenness of
> an act, we are bound to obey in absolute obedience. There is a
> reason for it, but we do not know it and when we do not know it,
> it does not mean that we should not abide by it."
>
> Yes, yes, take our word for it. Don't think for yourself.
>
> -Carl

On Thursday 03 November 2005 1:05 am, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> Balderdash. We muslims are encouraged to judge for ourselves whether or not
> an act is in agreement with Islamic morals and codes. I see nothing wrong
> with chess or backgammon, lest the pursuit of such become an obsession
> which prevents the remembrance of Allah. Even then, it would only be a
> moderate sin, not an outright crime, and there would be no justification
> for a ban, but a personal reprimand. The Shia have gone over the edge with
> their Fatwas and subsequent insubordination paranoia. It just shows their
> exaggerated insecurity concerning their faith in Allah.

hmmm.....don't you see a slippery slope here?

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Lumma
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 03 Kasým 2005 Perþembe 8:18
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: gum
>
> > http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/4/?lang=eng&view=d&code=129
>
> In fact at least as disturbing as the banning of the
> divine game of chess, is this:
>
> "...when we do not know the reason behind the forbiddenness of
> an act, we are bound to obey in absolute obedience. There is a
> reason for it, but we do not know it and when we do not know it,
> it does not mean that we should not abide by it."
>
> Yes, yes, take our word for it. Don't think for yourself.
>
> -Carl
>
>
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I am wearing ice-walker boots with sharp nails beneath. It's only a matter of balance from this point forward... balance AND faith.

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Krister Johnson
To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 03 Kas�m 2005 Per�embe 18:24
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: gum

On Thursday 03 November 2005 1:05 am, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> Balderdash. We muslims are encouraged to judge for ourselves whether or not
> an act is in agreement with Islamic morals and codes. I see nothing wrong
> with chess or backgammon, lest the pursuit of such become an obsession
> which prevents the remembrance of Allah. Even then, it would only be a
> moderate sin, not an outright crime, and there would be no justification
> for a ban, but a personal reprimand. The Shia have gone over the edge with
> their Fatwas and subsequent insubordination paranoia. It just shows their
> exaggerated insecurity concerning their faith in Allah.

hmmm.....don't you see a slippery slope here?

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