molestation and terror

>
>Yeah, sure, just look at all those atheist terrorists blowing themselves
>up...really a problem. And those atheist priests who are child molesters.
>

Stalin was an atheist terrorist. (Among many examples).

And I'm sure there are plenty of child molestors who aren't religious.

It's a logical fallacy to say that because there are religious child
molestors, there are not non-religious child molestors.

On Monday 31 October 2005 9:35 am, Christopher Bailey wrote:
> >Yeah, sure, just look at all those atheist terrorists blowing themselves
> >up...really a problem. And those atheist priests who are child molesters.
>
> Stalin was an atheist terrorist. (Among many examples).

True enough.

> And I'm sure there are plenty of child molestors who aren't religious.
>
> It's a logical fallacy to say that because there are religious child
> molestors, there are not non-religious child molestors.

Yes, of course, you are correct.

But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?

-Aaron.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
wrote:
> But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?

No. Not to me, at least. If you want me to judge an entire group of
diverse people based on some statistic, then I'd just as easily be
able to tar the whole lot with a correspondingly 'bad' statistic. I
prefer to view people as individuals in situations like this.

Jon

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
wrote:
>
>
> But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?
>
> -Aaron.
>

That's very interesting.

Source, please?

P

maybe they are less likely to get married too!

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

>On Monday 31 October 2005 9:35 am, Christopher Bailey wrote:
> >
>>>Yeah, sure, just look at all those atheist terrorists blowing themselves
>>>up...really a problem. And those atheist priests who are child molesters.
>>> >>>
>>Stalin was an atheist terrorist. (Among many examples).
>> >>
>
>True enough.
>
> >
>>And I'm sure there are plenty of child molestors who aren't religious.
>>
>>It's a logical fallacy to say that because there are religious child
>>molestors, there are not non-religious child molestors.
>> >>
>
>Yes, of course, you are correct.
>
>But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?
>
>-Aaron.
>
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On Monday 31 October 2005 12:07 pm, Kraig Grady wrote:
> maybe they are less likely to get married too!

Since one cannot be divorced without having first been married, the validity
of the percent divorce rate still stands.

-Aaron.

> Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> >On Monday 31 October 2005 9:35 am, Christopher Bailey wrote:
> >>>Yeah, sure, just look at all those atheist terrorists blowing themselves
> >>>up...really a problem. And those atheist priests who are child
> >>> molesters.
> >>
> >>Stalin was an atheist terrorist. (Among many examples).
> >
> >True enough.
> >
> >>And I'm sure there are plenty of child molestors who aren't religious.
> >>
> >>It's a logical fallacy to say that because there are religious child
> >>molestors, there are not non-religious child molestors.
> >
> >Yes, of course, you are correct.
> >
> >But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?
> >
> >-Aaron.
> >
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i know, everyone is picking on you about this one :)

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

>On Monday 31 October 2005 12:07 pm, Kraig Grady wrote:
> >
>>maybe they are less likely to get married too!
>> >>
>
>Since one cannot be divorced without having first been married, the validity >of the percent divorce rate still stands.
>
>-Aaron.
>
>
> >
>>Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
>> >>
>>>On Monday 31 October 2005 9:35 am, Christopher Bailey wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>>>Yeah, sure, just look at all those atheist terrorists blowing themselves
>>>>>up...really a problem. And those atheist priests who are child
>>>>>molesters.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>Stalin was an atheist terrorist. (Among many examples).
>>>> >>>>
>>>True enough.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>And I'm sure there are plenty of child molestors who aren't religious.
>>>>
>>>>It's a logical fallacy to say that because there are religious child
>>>>molestors, there are not non-religious child molestors.
>>>> >>>>
>>>Yes, of course, you are correct.
>>>
>>>But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?
>>>
>>>-Aaron.
>>>
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On Monday 31 October 2005 11:38 am, Jon Szanto wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
>
> wrote:
> > But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?
>
> No. Not to me, at least. If you want me to judge an entire group of
> diverse people based on some statistic, then I'd just as easily be
> able to tar the whole lot with a correspondingly 'bad' statistic. I
> prefer to view people as individuals in situations like this.

Although I agree with that sentiment somewhat, and it's important to evaluate
an individual based on their personhood, not their group, statistics is not
about what truths we are morally comfortable with, or about confirming our
prejudices---it is about what measurable rate of probablility certain
large-scale phenomenon have, take it or leave it. It often has the delightful
effect of *disconfirming* our prejudices. Thus, it may come as a shock to
'bible bangers' and self-righteous hell-fire religious types that Atheists
have the lowest divorce rates. (or for that matter, they descend from a
common ancestor with apes, but that's another story) Furthermore:

"""The data showed that the highest divorce rates were found in the Bible
Belt. "Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in
frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are
roughly 50 percent above the national average" of 4.2/1000 people."""

The only thing you can do with a statistic that you are unhappy about is
question the methodology, and when that fails, lie about it. The first is
called honest inquiriy, the second propaganda.

Would you let your knowledge effect your actions, when you are armed with a
statistic? You may chose to ignore a published crime rate when moving into a
new neighborhood, I will not.

-Aaron.

On Monday 31 October 2005 11:48 am, ambassadorbob wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
>
> wrote:
> > But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce rate, no?
> >
> > -Aaron.
>
> That's very interesting.
>
> Source, please?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

-aaron.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
wrote:
> > > But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce
rate, no?

OK, I'll put it more bluntly: I don't care. And more to the point, I
can't imagine any reason for you to post that other than to feel some
sort of moral superiority, which I find beneath you. We've had more
than our share of "my belief is better than yours" for quite a stretch
here.

If you had some other reason for posting that 'interesting' statistic,
I'd rather you just stated it outright.

Regards,
Jon

On Monday 31 October 2005 4:06 pm, Jon Szanto wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
>
> wrote:
> > > > But it is interesting that atheists hold the lowest divorce
>
> rate, no?
>
> OK, I'll put it more bluntly: I don't care. And more to the point, I
> can't imagine any reason for you to post that other than to feel some
> sort of moral superiority, which I find beneath you. We've had more
> than our share of "my belief is better than yours" for quite a stretch
> here.
>
> If you had some other reason for posting that 'interesting' statistic,
> I'd rather you just stated it outright.

Quite simply: to quiet those who would call atheists morally flawed.

Other than that, no reason at all, so don't take offense to it unless you feel
that you've ever had an atheist in your sights for a 'morality
bashing' (which I doubt you have, Jon--I'm speaking to the general reading
audience here).

Besides, Jon, the post was not to you at all. If you didn't care, ignore it. I
don't believe it's appropriate for you to assume that you should censor
content you aren't interested in?

Perhaps I'm sensitive about all of this because I've experienced enough of
that kind of crap, and continue to, from believers of all stripes. (Witness
the present comments of Ozan and Pete directed towards unbelievers and
unbelief) Atheists are simply the most abused 'religious' minority of all.

'nuff said.

-Aaron.

Aaron,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
wrote:
> Quite simply: to quiet those who would call atheists morally flawed.

Aha. Well, it would have been simple to put that in there as well, and
I never would have responded. I don't know that having a marriage last
is a clear-cut sign of moral strength, but I support a healthy
marriage (having just had our 23rd anniversary).

> Besides, Jon, the post was not to you at all. If you didn't care,
ignore it.

Aaron, I may not care about the divorce rate among a group, but I
certainly can care about the general thrust of these kind of
statements. I suppose I was responding to the nature of the post,
rather than the content. But point taken.

> I don't believe it's appropriate for you to assume that you should
> censor content you aren't interested in?

No, it isn't.

> Perhaps I'm sensitive about all of this because ...

We're all sensitive about *something*, and personal beliefs probably
have a higher sensitivity factor. Just bear in mind that others around
you are probably having hot-button issues as well.

> Atheists are simply the most abused 'religious' minority of all.

Seems like every group wants to take on that particular mantle.

Regards,
Jon

On Monday 31 October 2005 7:12 pm, Jon Szanto wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
>
> wrote:
> > Quite simply: to quiet those who would call atheists morally flawed.
>
> Aha. Well, it would have been simple to put that in there as well, and
> I never would have responded.

Point taken.

> I don't know that having a marriage last
> is a clear-cut sign of moral strength, but I support a healthy
> marriage (having just had our 23rd anniversary).

I guess my point was that by the religious rights' own candlestick, a marriage
does represent 'moral strength'. In some ways I agree. In others, I don't.

> > Perhaps I'm sensitive about all of this because ...
>
> We're all sensitive about *something*, and personal beliefs probably
> have a higher sensitivity factor. Just bear in mind that others around
> you are probably having hot-button issues as well.

I'll say. Metatuning now seems to be hot-button hot-spot.

> > Atheists are simply the most abused 'religious' minority of all.
>
> Seems like every group wants to take on that particular mantle.

I should say 'at least in the U.S.'. There is data to support my claim.

from a 1999 Gallup Poll:

"""Being an atheist, unlike most of these other characteristics, is still
not widely acceptable to the American public. The latest poll shows only 49%
of Americans would vote for an atheist for president, making this the most
discriminated-against characteristic of the eight tested in the research."""

source: http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/atheism9.htm