Re: [tuning] politics mistuned

On Saturday 29 October 2005 5:17 am, Ozan Yarman wrote,
over in the 'tuning' group:

> The world suffers in the hands of the damned who wish to impose their whims
> on everyone else. Allah's revenge shall be terrible of course. I correlate
> recent ecological disasters with my belief in this perspective.

hmmm...I guess he thinks Katrina was God's 'revenge' on the 'evil Americans'.

I wonder how the giant earthquake in Pakistan, a mostly Muslim country, fits
into that scheme. Oh, let me guess, it was designed to punish General
Mushariff, who was siding with the Americans? Too bad it killed hundreds of
thousands of innocents in the same stroke. It seems 'God's wrath' is a bit
indiscriminate. And, since the body count was higher in Pakistan, maybe he's
not on the side you think he's on. Or maybe God isn't on any 'side'.

or maybe such statements are.....? or maybe the whole idea of.....?

> Yet, one must realize first, that the greatest terrorists are regimes that
> wrongfully arrogate the will of the masses.

like the Taliban, and like Saddam. And like George Bush, who certainly doesn't
speak for half of the U.S.

> I find little difference
> between Al-Qaida and militant governments aligned with the marauding
> `Allies` with so much blood on their hands. In fact, I sympathize to an
> extent with the `so-called terrorists` (since when did guerilla warfare
> become terrorism anyway?),

now we know where his true feelings are....

let me tell you, dear brother Ozan, what the difference between a terrorist
and a guerilla fighter is. A terrorist will brainwash a child (sometimes
their own child) or sheepish follower into strapping dynamite to their own
bodies to kill innocent civilians who had nothing to do with their own
government's ggressive behavior. So, they are cowards who really would rather
someone else die for their beliefs.

They also don't tolerate in others what they tolerate in themselves (racism,
aggression, repression, ideological brainwashing, indiscriminate violence,
genocide)

Lest you think I'm biased, I admit to the existence of American and Israeli
terrorists, and find it as unforgivable as Islamic terrorism.

> particularly in Chechneya and elsewhere who are
> fighting for the freedom of their lands, families and retribution. Who
> shall we actively condemn first? The insane, or the distraught?
>
> Yes... a free world, free of oppurtunistic politics, free of ignominy and
> horrors of unjust wars...

Perhaps we should start where we stand: condemn your Islamic brethren who are
attacking Sharon and Israel after they agreed, and more to the point, took
action to do a historic withdrawal. Punishing a positive action like that
will only lead to a re-escalation of violence, Israel's understandable
righteous position, and their own sorrow.

-Aaron.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohajeri Shahin
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 29 Ekim 2005 Cumartesi 8:55
> Subject: RE: this *%&$@#-up world of ours (was Re: [tuning] The Holy
> Quran and 12-ET)
>
>
> Damn all the terrorrist from all of the world! The world now is in a dark
> situation . I'm a muslim but believe that the islamic radicalism and
> islamic revolution in iran is the root of all these conditions. If you
> study the real history of iran you will see that america and western
> countries made shah to go and khomeini to come against ussr . I never
> forgive those countries who made islamic revolution , al-qaide , support
> saddam for their benefits and now their benefits has changed . so they say
> that they must go.but what about people of the world ? living between
> sword of eastern and western radicalism in a free world !!!!

On more thing....America created a lot, nay most, of this darkness,
infortunatly, by short-term thinking (supporting puppet governments and the
Islamic revolution because thy gained 'allies' in the fight against
Communism)

It's coming back to bite us in the ass.

-Aaron.

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Suicide bombing start in Algeria against the French, and it worked.
just as comparable method by the viet cong ( which later we turned around and applied in El Salvador and the other central american countries ) worked.
War is horror and how you kill some one matters little except on how long it takes.
why is carpet bombing of tens of thousands, more humane tan blowing up a restuarant. yes it is better to bomb it from the air isn't it.
Both kill innocent people. war is wrong but war is to win, ethics have nothing to do with it.
go ahead and put the former head of serbia on trial.
let carter mess with nicuargua and give him the peace prize.
terrorist is meaningless. a kurd in turkey is a terrorist, the same person doing something over the border in Iraq is one of our civilized freedom fighters. al quada was our great alles against the soviets and we loved every minute of it. loved them against the serbs , but hate them in chechnia
George Washington attacked the british on Chrismas morning, an act considered as uncivilized then as these things now.
hid behind tress, shot soldiers in the back Etc.
Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

>
>now we know where his true feelings are....
>
>let me tell you, dear brother Ozan, what the difference between a terrorist >and a guerilla fighter is. A terrorist will brainwash a child (sometimes >their own child) or sheepish follower into strapping dynamite to their own >bodies to kill innocent civilians who had nothing to do with their own >government's ggressive behavior. So, they are cowards who really would rather >someone else die for their beliefs.
>
>They also don't tolerate in others what they tolerate in themselves (racism, >aggression, repression, ideological brainwashing, indiscriminate violence, >genocide)
>
>Lest you think I'm biased, I admit to the existence of American and Israeli >terrorists, and find it as unforgivable as Islamic terrorism.
>
> >
>>particularly in Chechneya and elsewhere who are >>fighting for the freedom of their lands, families and retribution. Who
>>shall we actively condemn first? The insane, or the distraught?
>>
>>Yes... a free world, free of oppurtunistic politics, free of ignominy and
>>horrors of unjust wars...
>> >>
>
>Perhaps we should start where we stand: condemn your Islamic brethren who are >attacking Sharon and Israel after they agreed, and more to the point, took >action to do a historic withdrawal. Punishing a positive action like that >will only lead to a re-escalation of violence, Israel's understandable >righteous position, and their own sorrow.
>
>-Aaron.
>
> >
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mohajeri Shahin
>> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: 29 Ekim 2005 Cumartesi 8:55
>> Subject: RE: this *%&$@#-up world of ours (was Re: [tuning] The Holy
>>Quran and 12-ET)
>>
>>
>> Damn all the terrorrist from all of the world! The world now is in a dark
>>situation . I'm a muslim but believe that the islamic radicalism and
>>islamic revolution in iran is the root of all these conditions. If you
>>study the real history of iran you will see that america and western
>>countries made shah to go and khomeini to come against ussr . I never
>>forgive those countries who made islamic revolution , al-qaide , support
>>saddam for their benefits and now their benefits has changed . so they say
>>that they must go.but what about people of the world ? living between
>>sword of eastern and western radicalism in a free world !!!!
>> >>
>
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dear ozan
at least , i , as a muslem , don't believe in most of the things we
have in it. we know , in iran , because of the nature of islam , it
is very affected by superstitions and human benefits , as aresult.
i and most fair iranian muslems don't believe in bloody sword of god.
you know that all the natural events are becauese of the natural
processes in the world.
although , i belive in worlds with different dimentions which we also
belong to them , but the equation is not very simple to think that if
here murder is much so earthquake is our first punishment !
yes , we have them in our religious text and history but as i told
you it is very difficult for me to accept them as punishment of a
very kind god.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@a...>
wrote:
>
> On Saturday 29 October 2005 5:17 am, Ozan Yarman wrote,
> over in the 'tuning' group:
>
> > The world suffers in the hands of the damned who wish to impose
their whims
> > on everyone else. Allah's revenge shall be terrible of course. I
correlate
> > recent ecological disasters with my belief in this perspective.
>
> hmmm...I guess he thinks Katrina was God's 'revenge' on the 'evil
Americans'.
>
> I wonder how the giant earthquake in Pakistan, a mostly Muslim
country, fits
> into that scheme. Oh, let me guess, it was designed to punish
General
> Mushariff, who was siding with the Americans? Too bad it killed
hundreds of
> thousands of innocents in the same stroke. It seems 'God's wrath'
is a bit
> indiscriminate. And, since the body count was higher in Pakistan,
maybe he's
> not on the side you think he's on. Or maybe God isn't on any 'side'.
>
> or maybe such statements are.....? or maybe the whole idea of.....?
>
> > Yet, one must realize first, that the greatest terrorists are
regimes that
> > wrongfully arrogate the will of the masses.
>
> like the Taliban, and like Saddam. And like George Bush, who
certainly doesn't
> speak for half of the U.S.
>
> > I find little difference
> > between Al-Qaida and militant governments aligned with the
marauding
> > `Allies` with so much blood on their hands. In fact, I sympathize
to an
> > extent with the `so-called terrorists` (since when did guerilla
warfare
> > become terrorism anyway?),
>
> now we know where his true feelings are....
>
> let me tell you, dear brother Ozan, what the difference between a
terrorist
> and a guerilla fighter is. A terrorist will brainwash a child
(sometimes
> their own child) or sheepish follower into strapping dynamite to
their own
> bodies to kill innocent civilians who had nothing to do with their
own
> government's ggressive behavior. So, they are cowards who really
would rather
> someone else die for their beliefs.
>
> They also don't tolerate in others what they tolerate in themselves
(racism,
> aggression, repression, ideological brainwashing, indiscriminate
violence,
> genocide)
>
> Lest you think I'm biased, I admit to the existence of American and
Israeli
> terrorists, and find it as unforgivable as Islamic terrorism.
>
> > particularly in Chechneya and elsewhere who are
> > fighting for the freedom of their lands, families and
retribution. Who
> > shall we actively condemn first? The insane, or the distraught?
> >
> > Yes... a free world, free of oppurtunistic politics, free of
ignominy and
> > horrors of unjust wars...
>
> Perhaps we should start where we stand: condemn your Islamic
brethren who are
> attacking Sharon and Israel after they agreed, and more to the
point, took
> action to do a historic withdrawal. Punishing a positive action
like that
> will only lead to a re-escalation of violence, Israel's
understandable
> righteous position, and their own sorrow.
>
> -Aaron.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mohajeri Shahin
> > To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 29 Ekim 2005 Cumartesi 8:55
> > Subject: RE: this *%&$@#-up world of ours (was Re: [tuning] The
Holy
> > Quran and 12-ET)
> >
> >
> > Damn all the terrorrist from all of the world! The world now is
in a dark
> > situation . I'm a muslim but believe that the islamic radicalism
and
> > islamic revolution in iran is the root of all these conditions.
If you
> > study the real history of iran you will see that america and
western
> > countries made shah to go and khomeini to come against ussr . I
never
> > forgive those countries who made islamic revolution , al-qaide ,
support
> > saddam for their benefits and now their benefits has changed . so
they say
> > that they must go.but what about people of the world ? living
between
> > sword of eastern and western radicalism in a free world !!!!
>