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Thanks JSzo for posting this

it brings up some very good issues.
i am sure how it echos some of Partch's observations resonated within you
the nature of creative thinking and making. the problem in many places of higher learning the difference between teaching the students to think as opposed to copying.
We are constantly bombarded by redundant work when we run accross the latter. things that had already been done and said, sometimes it is even performed better than the creator of the style of whatever, but the verb seems to be missing.
But the artist of old had assistant too , often doing the designing and the final detail as michaelangelo etc.
Take the cases also of Scelsi and his assisstant or as we mentioned erlier. miles and teo.
But i know exactly what he means and i am not sure how much this type of mass produced commodity is really art. or is it what is put forth to prevent real art from happening. A painter friends believes many of those involved in it out right hate art.
the importance of it as a career has gotten out of hand and the spiritial necessity of it for one's one communion with what ever as well as our fellow humans beings seems to be of no concern. it is so often used to water and nourish the wrong things. i am almost dying of thirst

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

>On Thursday 20 October 2005 4:47 pm, Jon Szanto wrote:
> >
>>Things are getting pretty OT on tuning, so I thought I'd post it here.
>>Regarding our ongoing discussion of head/heart, science/art, etc., I
>>came across the following with regards to the recent discovered
>>Beethoven manuscript. Being that this discussion has an awful lot of
>>grey and fuzzy areas, and aspects that at least *I* am not doing well
>>putting into words, I can at least find a resonance with the author's
>>basic stance.
>>
>>http://www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=26127
>> >>
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>
>Yes, this was a well written article, and I too, agree with the author's >stance.
>
>-Aaron.
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🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> A painter friends believes many of
> those involved in it out right hate art.

I never thought I'd see this day, but I've played long enough in the
orchestra world to see an entire generation who have gotten into it
because it is a career, not because of a dying love for music. It is
as cold and hard as an accountant's beady stare, and just as
calculating. One of my saddest realizations.

> the importance of it as a career has gotten out of hand and the
> spiritial necessity of it for one's one communion with what ever as
well
> as our fellow humans beings seems to be of no concern. it is so often
> used to water and nourish the wrong things. i am almost dying of thirst

Beautifully, if sadly, put. Kraig, you write poetry even when you
aren't trying!

Just so we aren't in a total downer for the rest of the day, last
night we were treated to tickets for an amazing concert. Dawn Upshaw
came to town on the first leg of a tour of the new song cycle written
for her by Osvaldo Golijov entitled "Ayre". 11 songs of the Sephardic
Jews, with Jewish, Arabic, and other texts, and amazing backup by the
guy that did the music for "Motorcycle Diaries" on guitars and one of
the So. American 'guitars', as well as the ensemble eighth blackbird
and Mark Dresser on bass. There was an extended bit for
"hyper-accordian", and one of the players performed on a laptop, doing
sound design and loops at points. It was one of the most intense and
compelling evenings of music I've had in quite a while. I know they're
at Disney tonight, and then on to the Bay area. If you can catch a
show, it is recommended.

Above and beyond it all, she has one of the most beautiful voices that
has ever sung. Un-f***ing-believable.

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

like the concert i caught up here , i don't expect everything to be to great every night of the week , but one such show will keep me going for quite a while. and when it happens it really dissolves all the bad feelings i have without any resistance.

i am a sponge for such stuff, which i imagine most of us are.
i have seen/and heard Dawn upshaw sing.. she is the singer for sure

outside of Dresser sharing Jim French as a mutual friend, we sat next to each other in out final year of high school and i remember a concert he did there, very talented even then. i doubt he would remember me though nor would there be much reason he would.
Jon Szanto wrote:

>
>
>Just so we aren't in a total downer for the rest of the day, last
>night we were treated to tickets for an amazing concert. Dawn Upshaw
>came to town on the first leg of a tour of the new song cycle written
>for her by Osvaldo Golijov entitled "Ayre". >
>Above and beyond it all, she has one of the most beautiful voices that
>has ever sung. Un-f***ing-believable.
>
>Cheers,
>Jon
>
>
>
>
> >

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🔗ambassadorbob <peteysan@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

> or is it what is put forth to
> prevent real art from happening. A painter friends believes many of
> those involved in it out right hate art.
>

Just on a sort of feeling level, it seems to me like this sort
of "conspiracy". Real art is VERY uncomfortable, frequently. Or it
would seem so for a lot of people.

Commercial media technologies feed the avoidance by encouraging ever
more passive consumption of pre-digested programming,
and "interactives". The hoarding of wealth by the top few percent of
people in the world makes it certain that artistically inclined and
otherwise non-conformist individuals will not have access to the means
of expression and communication.

But I think the realest problem is the passivity. If you've always
gotten your Beethoven from the phonograph or PBS or itunes (or had
Beethoven rammed down your throat?), or not gotten any Beethoven
whatsoever, how could you begin to appreciate the difference between
Beethoven's "doodling" and your own, let alone the contrapuntal
achievement of the Grosse Fuge?

What I see of kids who seem to be growing up in a post-literate
society, is both frightening and extremely interesting. Intellectual
and artistic content has been so massively nonexistent for so long, we
just take it for granted now that "literacy" is a good thing because
of the sheer volume of it. I'm not so sure.

And I sure don't see administrations clamoring for punitive measures
against schools that fail to teach music, or drawing and painting, do
you?

I've been volunteering at schools that don't have a piano in the music
room. One has a broken one. These are not "poor" schools! And then
the symphony takes great pride in parading 12-year-old virtuosi in
front of bussed-in school kids on "education" day? I don't think it
creates demand for music programs.

It reinforces the idea that you (whoever "you" is) will NEVER be able
to do it, so don't even think about it.

Pete

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

i hear you and i have had to fight being brought up in such an environment. but the spirit was against such thing by my mother/stepfather
being who raised me till early teens.
so maybe it made me search out all i could.
One thing i thought of is possibly when so much out there , there is no need to make much more. after all there is way more great work than i can take in in just one art medium. i used to be able only to write music late at night when it is quiet , cause the sound all day made me not need to make sound, except possibly as a way of keeping my own equilibrium to that which was being put out into the environment. There has to be a void to fill.
Also i think many of the ideas of the music of the 50's and 60's somehow ending up being dead ends.
they were like sterile hybrids. great crop but could spawn more children. why this was so , i don't know and no one said they were required to take care of the future either.
By 70, it seemed we already needed to back up out of this cul de sac to do anything and was glad that i had ran across harrys work, as an antithesis of the attitude toward music taken from granted at the time. this weed , like most , will grow and spread just about anywhere

ambassadorbob wrote:

>--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
>
> >
>>or is it what is put forth to >>prevent real art from happening. A painter friends believes many of >>those involved in it out right hate art.
>> >> >>
>
>Just on a sort of feeling level, it seems to me like this sort >of "conspiracy". Real art is VERY uncomfortable, frequently. Or it >would seem so for a lot of people.
>
>Commercial media technologies feed the avoidance by encouraging ever >more passive consumption of pre-digested programming, >and "interactives". The hoarding of wealth by the top few percent of >people in the world makes it certain that artistically inclined and >otherwise non-conformist individuals will not have access to the means >of expression and communication.
>
>But I think the realest problem is the passivity. If you've always >gotten your Beethoven from the phonograph or PBS or itunes (or had >Beethoven rammed down your throat?), or not gotten any Beethoven >whatsoever, how could you begin to appreciate the difference between >Beethoven's "doodling" and your own, let alone the contrapuntal >achievement of the Grosse Fuge?
>
>What I see of kids who seem to be growing up in a post-literate >society, is both frightening and extremely interesting. Intellectual >and artistic content has been so massively nonexistent for so long, we >just take it for granted now that "literacy" is a good thing because >of the sheer volume of it. I'm not so sure.
>
>And I sure don't see administrations clamoring for punitive measures >against schools that fail to teach music, or drawing and painting, do >you? >
>I've been volunteering at schools that don't have a piano in the music >room. One has a broken one. These are not "poor" schools! And then >the symphony takes great pride in parading 12-year-old virtuosi in >front of bussed-in school kids on "education" day? I don't think it >creates demand for music programs. >
>It reinforces the idea that you (whoever "you" is) will NEVER be able >to do it, so don't even think about it.
>
>Pete >
>
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The Hand of Genius: Thoughts on ...

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