.tiff format, bridged to metatuning

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:57 pm, Carl Lumma wrote:
> >> jpeg is a worse choice than gif or png for print.
> >
> >Depends on the compression level.
>
> There are rare cases when jpeg is better for text.
> jpeg2000 and kin are far better.
>
> >> tiff is completely
> >> obsolete.
> >
> >Try telling that to a graphics artist! It's still a standard lossless
> >format for professional CYMK print houses. My CD cover (Divide by Pi)
> >was a TIFF master.
>
> I know, we still use tiff at the magazine. But that doesn't change
> the fact that the format blowz. IIRC, it doesn't even specify
> compression. I suppose png lacks a CMYK mode... forgot about that.

I say below we should take this to metatuning...but first, a good background:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ritter/tiff/#whatis

Why does tiff blow? It's simply a rather simple professional standard format,
designed to meet print-shop particular needs for rasterization and publishing
of images. Yes, it has its limitations, I suppose.

Why should we forget about CYMK mode?

As for obsolescence, I think that's an empirical question whose answer in this
case is decidedly 'no'. Something is obsolete only when a small minority of
people still use it (I would say LISP and FORTRAN are obsolete, save
academia, and parenthesis-lovers). If Keyboard magazine still uses .tiff, it
ain't obsolete.

Even were it true, let's also not forget that obsolete things still hold sway,
and are enlightening--like LISP and Latin are (both are incredibly good to
know)--and influence future designs. But I digress. I think Carl, what you
meant by saying obsolete was "I don't like it or condone it's use myself".
Right? ;)

>
> Indexed color seldom makes sense beyond 8 bits.

Stop right there---explain why you think that...

Let's take this to metatuning.

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.dividebypi.com

>(I would say LISP and FORTRAN are obsolete, save
>academia, and parenthesis-lovers).

Dude, I'm not even going there. LISP is used in many,
many industrial and academic applications.

>If Keyboard magazine still uses .tiff, it
>ain't obsolete.

Actually, what we send to the printer is pdf, which blows my
mind, but whatever.

>like LISP and Latin are (both are incredibly good to
>know)--and influence future designs.

And LISP incredibly better to know that Latin.

>But I digress. I think Carl, what you meant by saying
>obsolete was "I don't like it or condone it's use myself".
>Right? ;)

As I recalled, several compression schemes are allowed.
Some of them particularly obsolete. Having all those
color spaces is nice. Other than that, I suppose there's
not much to complain about.

My main source of anger comes from the fact that some
digicams offer in-camera TIFF. That's dumb, dude. This
guy agrees...

http://www.nikonians.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?
az=show_thread&om=1062&forum=DCForumID36&omm=10&viewmode=threaded

>> Indexed color seldom makes sense beyond 8 bits.
>
>Stop right there---explain why you think that...

Because if your palette's that big you seldom realize
much savings with lossless compression, plus the palette
must be stored.

>Let's take this to metatuning.

Let's instead just stop the discussion. :)

-Carl

Tiff is the standard for Cd covers & booklets

Carl Lumma wrote:

> >
>>(I would say LISP and FORTRAN are obsolete, save >>academia, and parenthesis-lovers).
>> >>
>
>Dude, I'm not even going there. LISP is used in many,
>many industrial and academic applications.
>
> >
>>If Keyboard magazine still uses .tiff, it >>ain't obsolete.
>> >>
>
>Actually, what we send to the printer is pdf, which blows my
>mind, but whatever.
>
> >
>>like LISP and Latin are (both are incredibly good to >>know)--and influence future designs.
>> >>
>
>And LISP incredibly better to know that Latin.
>
> >
>>But I digress. I think Carl, what you meant by saying
>>obsolete was "I don't like it or condone it's use myself". >>Right? ;)
>> >>
>
>As I recalled, several compression schemes are allowed.
>Some of them particularly obsolete. Having all those
>color spaces is nice. Other than that, I suppose there's
>not much to complain about.
>
>My main source of anger comes from the fact that some
>digicams offer in-camera TIFF. That's dumb, dude. This
>guy agrees...
>
>http://www.nikonians.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?
>az=show_thread&om=1062&forum=DCForumID36&omm=10&viewmode=threaded
>
> >
>>>Indexed color seldom makes sense beyond 8 bits. >>> >>>
>>Stop right there---explain why you think that...
>> >>
>
>Because if your palette's that big you seldom realize
>much savings with lossless compression, plus the palette
>must be stored.
>
> >
>>Let's take this to metatuning.
>> >>
>
>Let's instead just stop the discussion. :)
>
>-Carl
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