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🔗Christopher Bailey <chris@...>

11/11/2004 9:04:34 PM

> > > if most of the rank-in-file believe in a "culture of life"
> > > sincerely, than surely it can be argued that a senseless war
> > > does not promote a "culture of life".
>
> Sure 'bout that? Totally sure?
>
> I wonder if the author has considered:
>
> () The possibility that Bush supporters know what they're
> doing, and do it intentionally.

I used the word "sincerely". If they are knowingly inconsistent, then
that's another thing. If they are pro-life, and pro-war just to get votes
so they can lower taxes on corporations and get lots of free dinners,
these are not the people I'm talking about. Those are the politicians.

I'm talking about my friends' parents, etc. who really believe in this
stuff. I'm talking about the people who've been duped:
http://www.theonion.com/election2004/news_4045.php

I think there might be some point in trying to talk to those people.

>
> () Opening a true dialog with them would mean that the
> progressives would stand an equal chance of being converted
> to Bushism.

If Bushism is the better way to go, then fine. I kind of doubt it though.

🔗Carl Lumma <clumma@...>

11/12/2004 6:19:35 PM

> > > > if most of the rank-in-file believe in a "culture of life"
> > > > sincerely, than surely it can be argued that a senseless
> > > > war does not promote a "culture of life".
> >
> > Sure 'bout that? Totally sure?
> >
> > I wonder if the author has considered:
> >
> > () The possibility that Bush supporters know what they're
> > doing, and do it intentionally.
>
> I used the word "sincerely". If they are knowingly inconsistent,
> then that's another thing. If they are pro-life, and pro-war
> just to get votes so they can lower taxes on corporations and
> get lots of free dinners, these are not the people I'm talking
> about. Those are the politicians.

What about the notion 'war can save lives'.

> I'm talking about my friends' parents, etc. who really believe
> in this stuff. I'm talking about the people who've been duped:
>
> http://www.theonion.com/election2004/news_4045.php
>
> I think there might be some point in trying to talk to those
> people.

Yes, let's undupe them, with our superior knowledge of the
situation, that correlates democratic votes to IQ, and all
the rest.

> > () Opening a true dialog with them would mean that the
> > progressives would stand an equal chance of being converted
> > to Bushism.
>
> If Bushism is the better way to go, then fine. I kind of
> doubt it though.

How much time have you spent trying to understand the
neoconservative platform?

-Carl