Re: Synchronicity

Hi Dan,

Sorry, that was Sochor for the Czech logician, getting muddled,
Soccolar (tilings), Sochor, and Secor

Robert

Hi Dan,

I wonder sometimes if coincidences are going on all the time, and it is just that one notices them more at particular times.

One needs to be an enquiring mood, questioning things that one normally takes for granted or doesn't notice at all. Also one needs a
bit of lateral thinking to see connections between disparate things.

I think if one had that kind of attitude all the time one might see thousands of strange coincidences maybe even every day, because
ones days would be much richer in experience, so there would be more things to have coincidences between - and ones thought wouldn't
be going over the same old tracks all the time - there perhaps one misses the coincidences because they are so familiar. For
instance it is an amazing coincidence that the sun and moon are exactly the same size in the sky (and something that is only the
case at this particular time in the history of the Earth too as the moon is gradually moving further away). But you can only spend
so much time being amazed by that and eventually it becomes familiar. Maybe there are other things like that that we find so
familiar that we don't notice them at all.

Which leaves open the question of whether they have particular significance or where they come from. E.g. why the moon and sun
happen to be so nearly exactly the same size in the sky, it seems so strange, and one wonders if it has some significance or other
and is telling us something - but if so I have no idea what it is. Or is it just a strange coincidence and nothing more, perhaps it
is.

There are astronomical reasons for believing that a moon which is quite large is necessary for "higher" life to form on a planet
readily (needed to stabilise the seasons) and I just heard on the radio recently that they figure out nowadays that moons probably
often form around terrestrial planets in other solar systems by accumulating in the Lagrange points in the orbit. So maybe there are
many terrestiral planets with life and with large moons, and maybe we will find that many of those have moons that are approximately
the same angular size as the sun in the sky, so there might actually be a connection there between "higher" life forming and that
amazing coincidence of the size of the moon and sun in the sky.

On the other hand, we have a very large number of experiences in every day, and even if one only notices a hundred say particularly
in any day during the day - then maybe only remembers two or three of those things a week later, maybe none at all a month later,
probably for each of those, there may be a few hundred or a thousand humdrum things for each of those that one didn't notice because
they were of no significance. Probably a few tens of thousands of things that happened in the day that were humdrum and unremarkable
but were potential points for amazing coincidences to happen if things had gone just slightly differently, if one had turned a
different corner, or went out of the door one minute earlier or later or whatever.

So that easily runs up to millions of possibilities quite quickly, if one includes all the humdrum type things that could be
noticed.

So even one in a million type experiences or rarer, will happen now and again in ones life. One in a billion ones now and again
probably wouldn't be too surprising. So I don't know how you can sort out which are the truly amazing coincidences that actually
point to some real connection and which ones are the ones that are just coincidences.

Robert

Hi robert,

Yes, that difficulty in saying what's significant and what's not in
coincidences is generally the reason a term,or concept like
synchronicity is called pseudo science. Jung's description was
something like an acausal connecting principle related to meaningful
coincidences. That seems right to me, but I can understand someone
with a more conservative view being frustrated by the utter lack of
provability in such a thing.

Jacques Vallee made an interesting comparison between synchronicity
and the way a computer search reaches into a vast reservoir of
possibilities by cross-referencing information in a multidimensional
fashion. Maybe every thought and every action reaches out and effects
physical reality in a similar fashion giving results both sublime and
absurd? Who knows, not me...

The experience with the slovak baseballs that I had could probably be
tallied probability wise, in fact I'm sure it could, but that doesn't
change the fact that it's a preposterous coincidence in a
relationship that seemed to be walking in step with these types of
episodes.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Walker"
<robertwalker@n...> wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> I wonder sometimes if coincidences are going on all the time, and
it is just that one notices them more at particular times.
>
> One needs to be an enquiring mood, questioning things that one
normally takes for granted or doesn't notice at all. Also one needs a
> bit of lateral thinking to see connections between disparate things.
>
> I think if one had that kind of attitude all the time one might see
thousands of strange coincidences maybe even every day, because
> ones days would be much richer in experience, so there would be
more things to have coincidences between - and ones thought wouldn't
> be going over the same old tracks all the time - there perhaps one
misses the coincidences because they are so familiar. For
> instance it is an amazing coincidence that the sun and moon are
exactly the same size in the sky (and something that is only the
> case at this particular time in the history of the Earth too as the
moon is gradually moving further away). But you can only spend
> so much time being amazed by that and eventually it becomes
familiar. Maybe there are other things like that that we find so
> familiar that we don't notice them at all.
>
> Which leaves open the question of whether they have particular
significance or where they come from. E.g. why the moon and sun
> happen to be so nearly exactly the same size in the sky, it seems
so strange, and one wonders if it has some significance or other
> and is telling us something - but if so I have no idea what it is.
Or is it just a strange coincidence and nothing more, perhaps it
> is.
>
> There are astronomical reasons for believing that a moon which is
quite large is necessary for "higher" life to form on a planet
> readily (needed to stabilise the seasons) and I just heard on the
radio recently that they figure out nowadays that moons probably
> often form around terrestrial planets in other solar systems by
accumulating in the Lagrange points in the orbit. So maybe there are
> many terrestiral planets with life and with large moons, and maybe
we will find that many of those have moons that are approximately
> the same angular size as the sun in the sky, so there might
actually be a connection there between "higher" life forming and that
> amazing coincidence of the size of the moon and sun in the sky.
>
> On the other hand, we have a very large number of experiences in
every day, and even if one only notices a hundred say particularly
> in any day during the day - then maybe only remembers two or three
of those things a week later, maybe none at all a month later,
> probably for each of those, there may be a few hundred or a
thousand humdrum things for each of those that one didn't notice
because
> they were of no significance. Probably a few tens of thousands of
things that happened in the day that were humdrum and unremarkable
> but were potential points for amazing coincidences to happen if
things had gone just slightly differently, if one had turned a
> different corner, or went out of the door one minute earlier or
later or whatever.
>
> So that easily runs up to millions of possibilities quite quickly,
if one includes all the humdrum type things that could be
> noticed.
>
> So even one in a million type experiences or rarer, will happen now
and again in ones life. One in a billion ones now and again
> probably wouldn't be too surprising. So I don't know how you can
sort out which are the truly amazing coincidences that actually
> point to some real connection and which ones are the ones that are
just coincidences.
>
> Robert

Jung point on this also is that we find these things meaningful.

I once had a dream that i was on a game show and i won what on the show was called a 'Perch of Gasoline" which in the dream referred to as a gasoline truck quantity. This makes no sense even though a Perch is a form of fruit measurement. 5 years later i was on a greyhound bus and i had fallen a sleep . When i opened my eyes right in front of me was a large gasoline truck with the words PERCHOLINE. Never heard or seen of such a thing since.

I am sure most people have dreamt something only to have someone say something about it the next day
daniel_anthony_stearns wrote:

>Hi robert,
>
>Yes, that difficulty in saying what's significant and what's not in >coincidences is generally the reason a term,or concept like >synchronicity is called pseudo science. Jung's description was >something like an acausal connecting principle related to meaningful >coincidences. That seems right to me, but I can understand someone >with a more conservative view being frustrated by the utter lack of >provability in such a thing. >
>Jacques Vallee made an interesting comparison between synchronicity >and the way a computer search reaches into a vast reservoir of >possibilities by cross-referencing information in a multidimensional >fashion. Maybe every thought and every action reaches out and effects >physical reality in a similar fashion giving results both sublime and >absurd? Who knows, not me...
>
>The experience with the slovak baseballs that I had could probably be >tallied probability wise, in fact I'm sure it could, but that doesn't >change the fact that it's a preposterous coincidence in a >relationship that seemed to be walking in step with these types of >episodes.
>
>
> >
>
> >

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