Re: tuning archive

HI Carl,

I have made a personal promise to several posters
not to archive their posts. So their
posts won't be archived in the archive I make.
It doesn't matter what other considerations
there are.

I'd choose some other method apart from
opt in if I could think of anything else
that would ensure that no posts got archived
that were by anyone who felt strongly that
their posts shouldn't be archived. But
try as I can, I haven't been able to think
of any other way to do it except as
an opt in list. It is awkward because
of the number of people who visit for a
few posts and then go - and probably
the majority of those will be quite
happy to see their posts archived.
Others might not though. The only thing there
is the hope that they will see the
archive and opt in later which is quite
possible - the ones that want to be in it.

If anyone else wants to do it then
it is their call really. But I would
suggest that it is a matter of consideration
to posters to respect their wishes
with the material they post.

As your examples show, you aren't
wrong to want to archive them,
as some people have done exactly
that with some forums.

I'd have thought for instance that
if one posted an e-mail to a forum
declaring ones intentions to
archive it, and ask if anyone
had any objections and then
no-one currently in the forum had
any objections at all then by
extrapolation it would bee
fairly reasonable to assume
that past posters wouldn't object
either and one could then make
it opt out pending further information.

Originally I was going to just archive
everything having no idea that anyone
would mind at all. But as soon as
I found out about this other point of
view on the matter - not just as a mild
difference of opintion but as a deeply
and strongly felt view of some posters,
then it became impossible for me personally
anyway to do it.

For others who want to archive,
it is surely the riskier
undertaking at least in terms
of causing ill feeling in the
community - I'd have thought an
actual legal proceeding is highly
unlikely :-).

Robert

Robert,

> I have made a personal promise to several posters
> not to archive their posts. So their
> posts won't be archived in the archive I make.
> It doesn't matter what other considerations
> there are.

Please don't interpret anything I said as a comment
about your archives. I wasn't trying to persuade
you of anything, but rather Jon of what future archives
might be like. Once again, I admire your thoughtfulness
and thank you for all the work you've done in archiving
things.

-Carl

Carl,

You wrote to Robert:

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> Please don't interpret anything I said as a comment
> about your archives. I wasn't trying to persuade
> you of anything, but rather Jon of what future archives
> might be like. Once again, I admire your thoughtfulness
> and thank you for all the work you've done in archiving
> things.

All I'm asking is for the same handling of these matters as Robert has
so gracefully already seen fit to do. That is *all*.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Walker" <robertwalker@n...>
wrote:
> But as soon as
> I found out about this other point of
> view on the matter - not just as a mild
> difference of opintion but as a deeply
> and strongly felt view of some posters,
> then it became impossible for me personally
> anyway to do it.

You're too nice a guy to do this right. Carl or I could do it. :)

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> All I'm asking is for the same handling of these matters as Robert has
> so gracefully already seen fit to do. That is *all*.

I'm sure telling him "big fucking deal" will bring him around to your
views on courtesty and consideration for others.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> I'm sure telling him "big fucking deal" will bring him around to your
> views on courtesty and consideration for others.

Nope, that was reserved for you and *only* you. I know you got that. I
am so sick and tired of everyone bending over backwards for you Gene,
that this place looks like a fucking yoga class.

You reap what you sow. You've had half-dozen people in the last couple
of weeks (by conservative estimates) attempt to get you to see your
gaps in communication, and your blindedness to other people's
viewpoint. People took time and care to couch their language in
manners that would have touched any reasonable person, and given at
least pause for thought.

Nope. Not you. Not Gene.

It is really the saddest thing I've seen around here, with so many
ripples and manifestations it is hard to calculate. All for one
attitude-riddled person. It brings out the worst in me, and I hate
that, but I am absolutely bleeding tired of all the spineless worship.

What a waste.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

It brings out the worst in me, and I hate
> that, but I am absolutely bleeding tired of all the spineless worship.

You've been following the tuning list discussion, and from it
concluded I am the object of spineless worship?

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> You've been following the tuning list discussion, and from it
> concluded I am the object of spineless worship?

I guess you could say that. I finally saw some spinal development
recently, but it is too little and too late (and came on this list as
well). But you successfully beat them into the ground as well, and
your regime is well ensconced.

You got it all now.