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BUSH TOLD HE IS PLAYING INTO BIN LADEN'S HANDS
By Julian Borger in Washington
The Guardian
Saturday, June 19, 2004

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1242638,00.html

Al-Qaida may 'reward' American president with strike aimed at keeping him in
office, senior intelligence man says.

...........

A senior US intelligence official is about to publish a bitter condemnation
of America's counter-terrorism policy, arguing that the west is losing the
war against al-Qaida and that an "avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked" war
in Iraq has played into Osama bin Laden's hands.

Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror, due out next
month, dismisses two of the most frequent boasts of the Bush administration:
that Bin Laden and al-Qaida are "on the run" and that the Iraq invasion has
made America safer.

In an interview with the Guardian the official, who writes as "Anonymous",
described al-Qaida as a much more proficient and focused organisation than
it was in 2001, and predicted that it would "inevitably" acquire weapons of
mass destruction and try to use them.

He said Bin Laden was probably "comfortable" commanding his organisation
from the mountainous tribal lands along the border between Pakistan and
Afghanistan.

The Pakistani army claimed a big success in the "war against terror"
yesterday with the killing of a tribal leader, Nek Mohammed, who was one of
al-Qaida's protectors in Waziristan.

But Anonymous, who has been centrally involved in the hunt for Bin Laden,
said: "Nek Mohammed is one guy in one small area. We sometimes forget how
big the tribal areas are." He believes President Pervez Musharraf cannot
advance much further into the tribal areas without endangering his rule by
provoking a Pashtun revolt. "He walks a very fine line," he said yesterday.

Imperial Hubris is the latest in a relentless stream of books attacking the
administration in election year. Most of the earlier ones, however, were
written by embittered former officials. This one is unprecedented in being
the work of a serving official with nearly 20 years experience in
counter-terrorism who is still part of the intelligence establishment.

The fact that he has been allowed to publish, albeit anonymously and without
naming which agency he works for, may reflect the increasing frustration of
senior intelligence officials at the course the administration has taken.

Peter Bergen, the author of two books on Bin Laden and al-Qaida, said: "His
views represent an amped-up version of what is emerging as a consensus among
intelligence counter-terrorist professionals."

Anonymous does not try to veil his contempt for the Bush White House and its
policies. His book describes the Iraq invasion as "an avaricious,
premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat but
whose defeat did offer economic advantage.

"Our choice of timing, moreover, shows an abject, even wilful failure to
recognise the ideological power, lethality and growth potential of the
threat personified by Bin Laden, as well as the impetus that threat has been
given by the US-led invasion and occupation of Muslim Iraq."

In his view, the US missed its biggest chance to capture the al-Qaida leader
at Tora Bora in the Afghan mountains in December 2001. Instead of sending
large numbers of his own troops, General Tommy Franks relied on surrogates
who proved to be unreliable.

"For my money, the game was over at Tora Bora," Anonymous said.

Yesterday President Bush repeated his assertion that Bin Laden was cornered
and that there was "no hole or cave deep enough to hide from American
justice".

Anonymous said: "I think we overestimate significantly the stress [Bin
Laden's] under. Our media and sometimes our policymakers suggest he's hiding
from rock to rock and hill to hill and cave to cave. My own hunch is that
he's fairly comfortable where he is."

The death and arrest of experienced operatives might have set back Bin
Laden's plans to some degree but when it came to his long-term capacity to
threaten the US, he said, "I don't think we've laid a glove on him".

"What I think we're seeing in al-Qaida is a change of generation," he
said."The people who are leading al-Qaida now seem a lot more professional
group.

"They are more bureaucratic, more management competent, certainly more
literate. Certainly, this generation is more computer literate, more
comfortable with the tools of modernity. I also think they're much less
prone to being the Errol Flynns of al-Qaida. They're just much more careful
across the board in the way they operate."

As for weapons of mass destruction, he thinks that if al-Qaida does not have
them already, it will inevitably acquire them.

The most likely source of a nuclear device would be the former Soviet Union,
he believes. Dirty bombs, chemical and biological weapons, could be
home-made by al-Qaida's own experts, many of them trained in the US and
Britain.

Anonymous, who published an analysis of al-Qaida last year called Through
Our Enemies' Eyes, thinks it quite possible that another devastating strike
against the US could come during the election campaign, not with the
intention of changing the administration, as was the case in the Madrid
bombing, but of keeping the same one in place.

"I'm very sure they can't have a better administration for them than the one
they have now," he said.

"One way to keep the Republicans in power is to mount an attack that would
rally the country around the president."

The White House has yet to comment publicly on Imperial Hubris, which is due
to be published on July 4, but intelligence experts say it may try to
portray him as a professionally embittered maverick.

The tone of Imperial Hubris is certainly angry and urgent, and the stridency
of his warnings about al-Qaida led him to be moved from a highly sensitive
job in the late 90s.

But Vincent Cannistraro, a former chief of operations at the CIA
counter-terrorism centre, said he had been vindicated by events. "He is very
well respected, and looked on as a serious student of the subject."

Anonymous believes Mr Bush is taking the US in exactly the direction Bin
Laden wants, towards all-out confrontation with Islam under the banner of
spreading democracy.

He said: "It's going to take 10,000-15,000 dead Americans before we say to
ourselves: 'What is going on'?"

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:
>
> BUSH TOLD HE IS PLAYING INTO BIN LADEN'S HANDS
> By Julian Borger in Washington
> The Guardian
> Saturday, June 19, 2004
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1242638,00.html
>
> Al-Qaida may 'reward' American president with strike aimed
> at keeping him in office, senior intelligence man says.
>
> ...........
>
> <snip>
>
> Anonymous, who published an analysis of al-Qaida last
> year called Through Our Enemies' Eyes, thinks it quite
> possible that another devastating strike against the US
> could come during the election campaign, not with the
> intention of changing the administration, as was the
> case in the Madrid bombing, but of keeping the same one
> in place.
>
> "I'm very sure they can't have a better administration
> for them than the one they have now," he said.
>
> "One way to keep the Republicans in power is to mount
> an attack that would rally the country around the president."

now look at what i posted here two weeks ago:

/metatuning/topicId_7289.html#7345

> [me, monz]
> but then on the other hand, i'm so cynical and
> distrustful of the Bush administration that i'm
> not convinced that *anyone's* votes will matter
> in the next election. i really think they're
> going to pull off a "terrorist attack" just before
> the election and then suspend the election and
> keep Bush in office.

so whether it really is al-Qaeda/Qaida, or a covert
CIA/FBI operation made to look like al-Qaeda, it
looks like i'm on the right track predicting that
Bush & company are going to find some way to remain in
control of America, regardless of any "election" in November.

-monz

your scenario makes more sense, Al Qaeda is much to patient to be worrying
about so-called elections

monz wrote:

>
> so whether it really is al-Qaeda/Qaida, or a covert
> CIA/FBI operation made to look like al-Qaeda, it
> looks like i'm on the right track predicting that
> Bush & company are going to find some way to remain in
> control of America, regardless of any "election" in November.
>
> -monz
>
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

The accompanying legislation is being passed in
the U.S., Canada and Britain.
http://911review.org/Wiki/WhatsNext.shtml

Manuel

That so many bio weapons people have died is exceeding troubling.

That the U.S. has already reach agreements with 45 countries to extradite
draft dodgers is also not very comforting

The powers that be might take bush and cheney down as part of the great
excuse.

Manuel Op de Coul wrote:

> The accompanying legislation is being passed in
> the U.S., Canada and Britain.
> http://911review.org/Wiki/WhatsNext.shtml
>
> Manuel
>
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

Hi Kraig,

Once again, can you give me a source for the following?

> That the U.S. has already reach agreements with 45 countries to
extradite
> draft dodgers is also not very comforting

Your answer may determine whether I stay in the country or not.

Thanks,

Kyle

> Your answer may determine whether I stay in the country or not.

Also be sure to check where you're headed for similar treaties.

-Carl

http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/022704_draft_goff.html
unfortunately the companion article which goes into more depth is
subscription only now,
which you can see a link to from this page which includes the article i
posted yesterday

http://fromthewilderness.com/

kylegann1955 wrote:

> Hi Kraig,
>
> Once again, can you give me a source for the following?
>
> > That the U.S. has already reach agreements with 45 countries to
> extradite
> > draft dodgers is also not very comforting
>
> Your answer may determine whether I stay in the country or not.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>
>
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The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

P.S., There are no countries anymore only empires :)

kylegann1955 wrote:

>
> Your answer may determine whether I stay in the country or not.
>
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
>
> http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/022704_draft_goff.html

i especially loved where Goff gave Rumsfeld the title
of "the Defense Department's own imperial Caligula".

he is so on-the-money here:

>> "I have said before that by all accounts the
>> preservation of U.S. dominance in the world is
>> ultimately dependent on seizing control of this
>> region. This is not an irrational war. It is an
>> icily rational war, given that the alternative is
>> to relinquish control of the world's economic future
>> – which would be disastrous for political elites
>> in the United States, because our entire economy,
>> under their direction, is now a house of cards
>> built on an international treasury-bill standard
>> that forces the rest of the world to give loans
>> to the U.S. that it never intends to pay back.
>> Control of the world's peaking energy supply is
>> absolutely essential for the U.S. state to maintain
>> its economic arm-lock on China and Europe to
>> enforce their continued complicity in this
>> international extortion racket."

-monz

Hi Dante!
i saw this one too. I just don't think that Al queda is this speculative as
there are a lot of variable's here. That they will acquire nuclear capability
seems quite possible though.

For instance Long Beach harbor here in L.A. does more commerce than any
other port in the U.S. Closing the port would mess things up for quite a while
to be kind. I believe Al queda would be more concerned with this type of plan
than who the president is and i imagine they don't see that much different
between them. In fact Kerry seems already determined to continue playing into
their hand.

Dante Rosati wrote:

> BUSH TOLD HE IS PLAYING INTO BIN LADEN'S HANDS
> By Julian Borger in Washington
> The Guardian
> Saturday, June 19, 2004
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

Hi Kraig-

But don't we have to admit after the Madrid bombing that they are capable of
thinking this way?

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kraig grady [mailto:kraiggrady@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 7:32 PM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] yikes
>
>
> Hi Dante!
> i saw this one too. I just don't think that Al queda is this
> speculative as
> there are a lot of variable's here. That they will acquire
> nuclear capability
> seems quite possible though.
>
> For instance Long Beach harbor here in L.A. does more
> commerce than any
> other port in the U.S. Closing the port would mess things up for
> quite a while
> to be kind. I believe Al queda would be more concerned with this
> type of plan
> than who the president is and i imagine they don't see that much different
> between them. In fact Kerry seems already determined to continue
> playing into
> their hand.

So you think they thought it would influence the election?
I am not sure, but could be convince as much

Dante Rosati wrote:

> Hi Kraig-
>
> But don't we have to admit after the Madrid bombing that they are capable of
> thinking this way?
>
> Dante
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

> But don't we have to admit after the Madrid bombing that
> they are capable of thinking this way?

Somebody told me this had nothing to do with the election,
but was rather the work of crazies that were trying to
re-take Spain for Islam. Your guess as to if this is
accurate.

-Carl

> > But don't we have to admit after the Madrid bombing that
> > they are capable of thinking this way?
>
> Somebody told me this had nothing to do with the election,
> but was rather the work of crazies that were trying to
> re-take Spain for Islam. Your guess as to if this is
> accurate.

Also somebody on TV was saying that the event might not have
had any effect on the election. I think there was even an
accusation that Americans would rather blame terrorists than
believe that a European country would otherwise choose
communist leadership.

-Carl