Ray's pissed

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I was wondering about this. I hope Bradbury sues him
and wins. I despise Moore, and I'll have no problem
looking the other way again if whoever masterminded the
9/11 attacks decides to crash a plane into him.

-Carl

> I was wondering about this. I hope Bradbury sues him
> and wins. I despise Moore, and I'll have no problem
> looking the other way again if whoever masterminded the
> 9/11 attacks decides to crash a plane into him.

Alright, alright, just kidding. I don't wish anyone any
ill will, and I'm actually curious to see F911 after seeing
the trailer last week. At least Moore is successfully
bringing, er, something to the table.

I have reviews of _Bowling_ at...

http://www.lumma.org/microwave/#2003.04.16

and

http://www.lumma.org/microwave/#2003.03.12

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:
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????

I always thought Moore's title was an obvious reference to Ray
Bradbury's book. Now Bradbury is steaming about stealing...stealing?!

I thought he had style. Maybe his lights are beginning to dim.

How sad.

Kalle

Kalle,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Kalle Aho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> I always thought Moore's title was an obvious reference to Ray
> Bradbury's book.

One would have to be completely ignorant of the book to not notice
that.

> Now Bradbury is steaming about stealing...stealing?! I thought he
> had style. Maybe his lights are beginning to dim. How sad.

As far as style, while I don't have a problem with Moore doing a take-
off on the title, I have a big problem with his not even *asking* RB
about the matter. When one talks about sadness, style, etc., I'd
include that kind of contemporary boorishness in the same
conversation.

I also think that this ends up being an oblique commentary (our
discussion) on the state of appropriation of materials - what is fair
game? And, no, definitely no, I don't have a good answer on this!

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Kalle,
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Kalle Aho" <kalleaho@m...>
wrote:
> > I always thought Moore's title was an obvious reference to Ray
> > Bradbury's book.
>
> One would have to be completely ignorant of the book to not notice
> that.

Exactly. Allusions aren't illegal or even immoral. They are extremely
common in all art forms. That's why I don't understand Bradbury's
reaction.

> > Now Bradbury is steaming about stealing...stealing?! I thought he
> > had style. Maybe his lights are beginning to dim. How sad.
>
> As far as style, while I don't have a problem with Moore doing a
take-
> off on the title, I have a big problem with his not even *asking*
RB
> about the matter.

I don't have a problem with not asking. But Bradbury tried to contact
him. That Moore avoided him bothers me immensely.

What about publicly calling Moore a "screwed asshole"? How stylish is
that?

Kalle

> I was wondering about this. I hope Bradbury sues him
> and wins. I despise Moore, and I'll have no problem
> looking the other way again if whoever masterminded the
> 9/11 attacks decides to crash a plane into him.
>
> -Carl

Wow Carl thats harsh! During the Sault debacle, you came across sounding
more like Jesus, now you're sounding more like Sault! (just teasing).

;-)

Dante

Kalle,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Kalle Aho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> Exactly. Allusions aren't illegal or even immoral. They are
extremely
> common in all art forms. That's why I don't understand Bradbury's
> reaction.

This wasn't allusion - the titles are nearly identical. That *might*
explain his reaction.

> I don't have a problem with not asking.

I do, but common courtesy seems to be nearly extinct from human
behavior anymore.

> But Bradbury tried to contact him. That Moore avoided him bothers
> me immensely.

Me too.

> What about publicly calling Moore a "screwed asshole"? How stylish
> is that?

Pretty low. Maybe when you and I are Bradbury's age and someone ticks
us off we'll see how we do!

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> This wasn't allusion - the titles are nearly identical. That
*might*
> explain his reaction.

There are many songs called "1984" and a TV show called "Big
Brother". Should Orwell's estate be pissed of?

What about "Something Wicked this Way Comes"? :)

> > What about publicly calling Moore a "screwed asshole"? How
stylish
> > is that?
>
> Pretty low. Maybe when you and I are Bradbury's age and someone
ticks
> us off we'll see how we do!

:)

Kalle

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Kalle Aho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...>
wrote:
>
> > This wasn't allusion - the titles are nearly identical. That
> *might*
> > explain his reaction.
>
> There are many songs called "1984" and a TV show called "Big
> Brother". Should Orwell's estate be pissed of?
>
> What about "Something Wicked this Way Comes"? :)

And then there's a book by Andrew Harman called "Fahrenheit 666". :)

> > What about "Something Wicked this Way Comes"? :)

On reflection, I think you're right Kalle. I'm just
such a huge Bradbury fan, and such a Moore antifan,
that I let my feelings cloud my judgement. This is
not much above Microsoft suing Lindows over their
name.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:

> > > What about "Something Wicked this Way Comes"? :)
>
> On reflection, I think you're right Kalle. I'm just
> such a huge Bradbury fan, and such a Moore antifan,
> that I let my feelings cloud my judgement. This is
> not much above Microsoft suing Lindows over their
> name.

I'm not a huge fan of either but I still respect Bradbury more than
Moore. The worst thing Bradbury could do next is to take legal action
against Moore.

Kalle

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:
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Tell him to get over it and quit being an ass.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> > http://www.nbc4.com/entertainment/3390666/detail.html
>
> I was wondering about this. I hope Bradbury sues him
> and wins. I despise Moore, and I'll have no problem
> looking the other way again if whoever masterminded the
> 9/11 attacks decides to crash a plane into him.

So just because you dislike Moore you think he should not be able to
exercise his legal rights? Bradbury's whining was not that much
different that the snivelling over "The Wind Done Gone". We've given
away the store on the so-called "intellectual property" front to
Disney and Sonny Bono; let's at least keep the right of free speech to
some extent.

> > I was wondering about this. I hope Bradbury sues him
> > and wins. I despise Moore, and I'll have no problem
> > looking the other way again if whoever masterminded the
> > 9/11 attacks decides to crash a plane into him.
>
> So just because you dislike Moore you think he should not be
> able to exercise his legal rights? Bradbury's whining was not
> that much different that the snivelling over "The Wind Done
> Gone". We've given away the store on the so-called
> "intellectual property" front to Disney and Sonny Bono; let's
> at least keep the right of free speech to some extent.

You're absolutely right, and you'll hopefully see my
earlier retraction.

-Carl