Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup metatuning "The arc of the moral universe is long..."

The arc of the moral universe is long,
as Martin Luther King remarked, but it
bends toward justice.

Eventually you will learn, Kurt Bigler,
that you cannot defend a person who
lies and lies and lies without telling
lies yourself.

Dante Rosati has lied and lied and lied
in public, and now you are trying to
defend Dante Rosati against the terrible
price of his actions.

The price of Dante Rosati's lies is that
he made himself known as a liar and a
character assassin. There is nothing you
can do about that. The harder you try to
rescue Dante Rosati from the consequences
of his own lies, the more lies you will
find yourself forced to tell to do it...
and eventually you will fall into the
quicksand with him and if you persist in
the dishonest effort to try to convince that
Dante Rosati did not say what he said ("you
baboon") and di not tell repeated lies
in public, you will merely gain a reputation
for dishonesty yourlsef...just as Dante Rosati
has.

Kurt Bigler endangers his good reputation by
trying to make the failed and faulty argument:

Message 7083 of 7107 Msg #
From: Kurt Bigler <kkb@b...>
Date: Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [metatuning] Crackpots never quit

(..)
>I've had at least a couple of totally pleasant exchanges with
>Dante. If he lied it did not bother me...

This is not a defense of Dante Rosati. It is brutal condemnation
of Kurt Bigler. If lies do not bother you, sir, they should.
Every human being with a conscience should be disturbed by
lies.

Kurt Bigler went to imperil his own reputation even
further by saying:

>You might ask whether anyone else has a similar point of view
>about Dante.

No sir. When a person tells lies in public and when the
evidence is overwhelming that the person tells lies in
public, it is not up to us to "ask whether anyone else
has a similar point of view."

If a person tells lie after lie in public, then the
path is claer for any person with a conscience. Any
person with a conscience must speak out against repeated
lies told in public, lest he besmirch his own good name
and commit the worst of all crimes against himself -- namely,
betray himself by doing what he knows is wrong merely
because the mob believes it is right.

The individuals' conscience cannot be dictated by the howls
of a mob. The right thing for an indivdual to do is NEVER
decided by other people in a majority vote. In that direction
lies the Grand Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, the
Stalinist Show Trials, the wholesale condemnation of innocent
men and women and children to the flames merely becaause
the mob bays for their blood.

We have a conscience for a reason, Kurt Bigler. It is to tell
us the right thing to do. When we come face to face with
public lies we "...hold our souls in our hand like water,
and if [we] then open our hands, what shall become of us
then?" [A Man For All Seasons]

No, Kurt Bigler, the very _last_ thing you should do when
you come face to face with public is to "ask whether anyone
else has a simliar point of view." On the contrary, Kurt
Bigler. You must do the right thing according to your
conscience no matter how great the price.

Even if the price is having verbal shut hurled at me, even
if the price is a howling mob screaming insults at me,
even if hte price is pathological liars capering and
gibbering and ridiculing me for speaking the truth, by
God I shall do what is right and speak the truth -- and
the truth is that Dante Rosati has lied and lied and lied
and lied in public, and he has defamed himself.

The documented fact is that Dante Rosati has told lie ("you
baboon") after lie in public, and not all the hoarse
screaming throats of all the members of all the mobs
in history can wipe away that documented fact.

The documented fact, Kurt Bigler, is that Dante Rosati
has lied and lied and lied in public, and he must
take the consequences for his actions.

On the internet, YOU OWN YOUR WORDS.
Dante Rosati cannot now try to flee from his words, he
cannot now try to appeal to a mob to miraculously conjure
Dante's lies out of existence by some magical majority
vote.

Dante Rosati must take the consequences for his actions.
And the consequences in this case are horrible indeed. The
consequence of Dante Rosati's decision to consciously and
repeatedly tell lies in public are that Dante Rosati has bemseared
himself with ordure, like a small child who has covered
himself with feces. Dante Rosati has made himself repellant
and abhorrent to all people of good conscience. Dante Rosati
has submerged his good reputation in sewage and he has made
his name an epithet excremental and debased.

Dante Rosati has lied and lied and lied in public, and that
is wrong. It is just plain wrong.

It is the wrong thing to do.

And if you truly believe that some chanting crowd of strangers
can make what is wrong into what is right by taking a vote,
then...Kurt Bigler, I honestly pity you, and I fear for your
reputation and your integrity.

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--mclaren

"The arc of the moral universe is long..."

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