Tuning List(s) history

Paul-E wrote:

>Hi Hanuman, I agree with your sentiments and wish for the same things
>as you.

:)

>There's no such thing as an "Intonational Heretic" as far as the
>tuning list and this list have ever been concerned. Those few who
>believed in such labeling have had a very short existence on these
>lists.

True. I should have mentioned that it was more of a semi-shared
tongue-in-cheeky in-joke than an actual "clique".

>The last sign of priggishness on the Tuning List disappeared
>around New Year's, in my opinion.

Ah, yes. I recall that, too, and ::crossin' fingies:: agree.
Also IMHO the nanosec one calls another "Nazi-Boy" or whatever, their chance
of winning any points in debate or sympathy suddenly goes below zero, LOL.

>Having been on the tuning list for 95% of the last 8 years, the below
>doesn't sound familiar to me at all -- the damaging conflicts, as I
>recall, involved personal character smears and were only peripherally
>about theory, though you may have been given a different impression
>since you were not actually around at the time.

Well, I do think I was around when Jacky Ligon and a few others went into
"exile." Or came, saw and fled... LOL, which is still an amusing list
constant.
And quite a lot of the really nasty stuff was exchanged off-list, too.
And I happened to get my nose caught in the crossfire (and I am not gonna name
names in this regard because it would be rehashing old personal hurts and
resentments over academic career-b.s. paranoia and glaring egocentric lies that I
have not much direct knowledge of, just mostly 2nd hand histories ;)

>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, czhang23@a... wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 2004:02:17 02:35:25 AM, Andrew Heathwaite
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>> <gtrpkt@y...> writes:
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>>
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>> > I personally prefer the "inharmonic" ETs to 19tET (11tET, 21tET,
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>13tET, etc.
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>> >-- 19tET gives me a headache)
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>>
>
>> Ya have XJ Scott's website listed? http://www.nonoctave.com/
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>>
>
>> I personally don't have a website, but I did _come up_ with an
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>> "inharmonic non-octave Xeno-Pythagorean meantone" anyone is free to
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>use, abuse and/or
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>> modify: 7th root of 20:13 (745.8 cents) which is close to 11tET but
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>a bit more
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>> chromatic/colourful sounding, full of "wolves" and a really harsh
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>tritone
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>> (106.54, 213.08, 319.62, 426.16, 532.7, 639.24, 745.78, 852.32,
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>958.86, 1065.4,
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>> 1171.94, 1278.48)
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>>
>
>> As to this scale, I must acknowledge my
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>influences/inspirations/critical
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>> feedback: Margo Schulter, XJ Scott, Jacky Ligon, John Chalmers,
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>Brian
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>> MacLaren, Kraig Grady, Warren Burt, Jonny Reinhard* and Gene Ward
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>Smith
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>>
>
>> * BTW (for those new to all this, a bit of Tuning List history
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>[I will
>
>> try to be as unbiased as possible]) just a few years ago, the main
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>Tuning List
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>> had a wild bunch of "Intonational Heretics" - a more hardline
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>precursor to the
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>> main list's "Tuning Punks." Quite a number of whom are in "self-
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>imposed
>
>> exile" due to the ultravicious shark&orca-like feeding-frenzies of
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>priggish and
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>> highly personalized theoritical conflicts that makes today's
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>munchkin-sized
>
>> squabbles look like piranha-nibblings in comparision. I personally
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>got in on the
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>> very tail end of this civil war and was quite clueless (& very very
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>hurt) to why
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>> I suddenly was being attacked for just _being_ friends with certain
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>members
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>> of the list! I also fucked up & reneged on a Yamaha TX deal but had
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>mitigating
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>> financial hardship and health/emotional problems that
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>blindsided/broadsided
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>> me, but no matter how much mea-culpa-ing I did I
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>was "unforgiveable" in some
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>> quarters of the list. So I, too, went into exile... temporarily.
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>> ... Now here I stand, I can do no other...
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>> In the interim, I think I grew up a lil & grew a harder skin
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>despite (and
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>> probably because of) my continuing financial hardshit (economic-
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>endangerment:
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>> poorer than the church mice, I owe them) and healthache (Hep C
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>hepcat here... my
>
>> PSA of the Day: Please please go get yourself checked out
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>thoroughly if you
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>> ever ever shared shaving toiletries & nail clippers, snorted coke
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>with shared
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>> tooter, used IV drugs even once, got tattoos in prison or some
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>ghetto alleyway
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>> shop, blood transfusions 'fore 1992, etc.
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>> And don't believe that party-girl Pamela Anderson's BS about
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>Hep C, that
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>> she got it from Tommy Lee sexually (she prob'ly got it partying
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>with drugs in
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>> the early-to-mid-1980's), that it's incurable and always terminal
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>(for real
>
>> facts consult the American Liver Society's website).
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>> Why do I care to do this PSA?
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>> How could I look at myself in the mirror if I didn't try?
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>> Because any loss is a loss for us all - esp'ly we creative-
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>types (despite
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>> all our possible differences and clashing personalities).
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>> Basic law and code of human decency: if I wish to receive even
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>one iota
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>> of another person's friendship, concern and care, I hafta extend my
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>hand to all
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>> and take the intiative to care first.
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>> Basically we are all just over-sized kids-at-heart - esp'ly we
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>> creative-types. One for all, all for one, baby... and like they say
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>in 12 Step recovery
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>> programs: "principles not personalities" ... capeesh?
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>>
>
>> Then - before the more cynical, hard-hearted and self-centred
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>amongst
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>> thee say I be fulla shit, consider, ponder, think on the individual
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>moral and
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>> ethical implications of Lorenz's Butterfly Effect Theory of Chaos
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>Science (& the
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>> basis of occultic Chaos Magik): "Does the flap of a butterfly's
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>wings in
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>> Brazil set off a tornado in Texas?" or in another words: "very
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>small changes in
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>> intitial conditions produce widely varying and unpredictable
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>responses"... or
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>> simpler put: "from great simplicity multiplied even greater
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>complexity arises...
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>> as above, so below..."
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>> And as Christians are so fond of saying: we have all sinned and
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>come
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>> short of the glory of God. (Mene mene tekel upsharin, baby! A curse
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>God Damn on
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>> Globalist Babylon and Capitalist Mammon, mon.)
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>>
>
>> Just my shotgun-blast-style-2-cents towards the total
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>holistic "healing"
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>> and recovery of the Tuning List(s)... and each and every single one
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>of you.
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>> Though I am an unrepentant heathen Taoist WOG (Wiley Oriental
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>Gentleperson) &
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>> renegade rebel 12Stepper, I say: God bless and Godspeed thee.
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>>
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>> ---|-----|--------|-------------|---------------------|
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>> Hanuman Zhang, musical mad scientist: "Nah, I don't wanna take over
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>the
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>> world, just the sound spectrum to make it my home."
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>>
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>> "What strange risk of hearing can bring sound to music - a
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>hearing whose
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>> obligation awakens a sensibility so new that it is forever a
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>unique, new-born,
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>> anti-death surprise, created now and now and now. .. a hearing
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>whose moment
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>> in time is always daybreak." - Lucia Dlugoszewski
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>

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Hanuman "Mister Sinister" Zhang, Sloth-Style Gungfu Typist
- "the sloth is a chinese poet upsidedown" --- Jack Kerouac {1922-69}

"We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We read and write poetry
because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with
passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and
necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we
stay alive for." - Robin Williams, _Dead Poet's Society_

"Chance is the inner rhythm of the world, and the soul of poetry." - Miguel
de Unamuno

"One thing foreigners, computers, and poets have in common
is that they make unexpected linguistic associations." --- Jasia Reichardt

"There is no reason for the poet to be limited to words, and in fact the
poet is most poetic when inventing languages. Hence the concept of the poet as
'language designer'." --- O. B. Hardison, Jr.

"La poésie date d' aujour d'hui." (Poetry dates from today)
"La poésie est en jeu." (Poetry is in play)
--- Blaise Cendrars

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Hanuman "Stitch" Zhang, ManglaLanger (mangle + manga + lang)

Language[s] change[s]: vowels shift, phonologies crash-&-burn, grammars
leak, morpho-syntactics implode, lexico-semantics mutate, lexicons explode,
orthographies reform, typographies blip-&-beep, slang flashes, stylistics
warp... linguistic (R)evolutions mark each-&-every quantum leap... languages are
"naturally evolved wild systems... So language does not impose order on a chaotic
universe, but reflects its own wildness back." - Gary Snyder

"Some Languages Are Crushed to Powder but Rise Again as New Ones" -
a chapter on pidgins and creoles, John McWhorter,
_The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language_

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