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1. Man has the right to live by his
own law --

to live in the
way that he wills to do:

to work as he
will:

to play as he
will:

to rest as he
will;

to die when and
how he will.

2. Man has the right to eat what he
will:

to drink what
he will:

to dwell where
he will;

to move as he
will on the face of the earth.

3. Man has the right to think what
he will:

to speak what
he will:

to write what
he will:

to draw, paint,
carve, etch mold, build as he will;

to dress as he
will.

4. Man has the right to love as he
will:

5. Man has the right ot kill those
who would thwart these rights.

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

🔗Peter Wakefield Sault <sault@...>

🔗kraig grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Peter Wakefield Sault <sault@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
> Just what do you know about Aliester.

I thought I already spelled that out. A charlatan like all his kind.
Anything based on the crap in the so-called Hebrew kabala is going to
be dark and demonic. I have known too many silly people who have got
sucked in by Crowley's silly lists of supposedly magical
correspondences, amulets and talismans. That whole Golden Dawn and
OTO thing was a gigantic fraud - self-deception on a grand scale by
fatuous nincompoops. Real knowledge requires hard work, not prancing
about with magic symbols and potions in thrall to the demon Ashteroth.

> the comparison to Manson ( who i
> happen to seesing in Box Canyon in the 60's) is rather ridiculous.
>

Manson was one of the people whom Crowley got to, even in death. His
combination of heroin, Crowley and LSD didn't do Sharon Tate much
good. It also destroyed the reputation of LSD and that was arguably
an even greater evil than slicing up Sharon.

> Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:
>
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You are quoting the gigantic fraud Aleister Crowley as a moral
> > authority? Why stop there? Maybe Charlie Manson could give you
some
> > even better soundbites.
> >
> >
>
> -- -Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

🔗kraig grady <kraiggrady@...>

Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:

> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> wrote:
> > Just what do you know about Aliester.
>
> I thought I already spelled that out. A charlatan like all his kind.
> Anything based on the crap in the so-called Hebrew kabala is going to
> be dark and demonic.

It is dark and demonic if ones is inclined that way.

> I have known too many silly people who have got
> sucked in by Crowley's silly lists of supposedly magical
> correspondences, amulets and talismans.

you must be referring to 777 . It a a multi dimentional poem
such correspondences have been the basis of poetry through the ages

> That whole Golden Dawn and
> OTO thing was a gigantic fraud - self-deception on a grand scale by
> fatuous nincompoops. Real knowledge requires hard work, not prancing
> about with magic symbols and potions in thrall to the demon Ashteroth.

I think that Crowley believe that the golden dawn was indeed a fraud and
hence did what he could to epose them and to undermine their explotation of
others . ne of the ways he did this was to publish their 'secret' works.
First he did this under their name and he was sued. Later he just bypassed
this by publishing this under his own. Yeats and Brussell were also members
by the way and Waite, the biggest fraud of all!
I can't think of anything harder than the very exercises he suggest. Try
doing one or making it past the first three or four direction. You forget he
was on the first expedition on to K2 mountain. If that is not hard work , i
don't know what is. The etremity of his excercises is beyond what very few
can endure. This is what seperates him from others on this alone if no only.

The goal of his methods are self discovery. His philosophy is directly
from William Blake. look at the Marriage of heaven and hell
Evil people are going to be evil and will always find someone to miss quote
to do what they would do anyway.
Look at Anton who headed the Chuch of Satan supposedly. he was a circus
performer and liked to do nothing more than play the organ. i think he was
far more into the category in which you speak. a great comic though as his
videos show

>
>
> > the comparison to Manson ( who i
> > happen to seesing in Box Canyon in the 60's) is rather ridiculous.
> >
>
> Manson was one of the people whom Crowley got to, even in death. His
> combination of heroin, Crowley and LSD didn't do Sharon Tate much
> good. It also destroyed the reputation of LSD and that was arguably
> an even greater evil than slicing up Sharon.

You might as well blame Nietzche for Hitler. ( possibly easier to do).
Crowley's herion problem was caused by it being prescribed by a doctor back
in the days when such things were done.
Mansion single handedly destroyed the whole hippie movement along with LSD
exploration. Possibly he did the same with Aliester Crowley but i bet he
never did more than skim a book or two, his ego was too big to accept he
could actually learn something from others . The drug connection to a whole
slew of hollywood stars was covered up and in the tate house a list was
given as to who would be next. I know cause i know someone who was warned
they were on the list days after the murder.
let us not forget that the Beach Boys recorded one of charlies songs
'Summer'.

Let us look at real evil. Clinton who refused to ban landmines ( made by
honeywell BTW) which maim so many children around the world. His last day he
releases a cocaine dealer and lets L. Peltier (innocent by even FBI's own
evidence) rot in jail as he nears death.

>
>
> > Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:
> >
> > > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > You are quoting the gigantic fraud Aleister Crowley as a moral
> > > authority? Why stop there? Maybe Charlie Manson could give you
> some
> > > even better soundbites.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > -- -Kraig Grady
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > http://www.anaphoria.com
> > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST
>
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-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

🔗Peter Wakefield Sault <sault@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
>
>
> Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:
>
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Just what do you know about Aliester.
> >
> > I thought I already spelled that out. A charlatan like all his
kind.
> > Anything based on the crap in the so-called Hebrew kabala is
going to
> > be dark and demonic.
>
> It is dark and demonic if ones is inclined that way.
>
>
> > I have known too many silly people who have got
> > sucked in by Crowley's silly lists of supposedly magical
> > correspondences, amulets and talismans.
>
> you must be referring to 777 . It a a multi dimentional poem
> such correspondences have been the basis of poetry through the ages
>
> > That whole Golden Dawn and
> > OTO thing was a gigantic fraud - self-deception on a grand scale
by
> > fatuous nincompoops. Real knowledge requires hard work, not
prancing
> > about with magic symbols and potions in thrall to the demon
Ashteroth.
>
> I think that Crowley believe that the golden dawn was indeed a
fraud and
> hence did what he could to epose them and to undermine their
explotation of
> others . ne of the ways he did this was to publish their 'secret'
works.
> First he did this under their name and he was sued. Later he just
bypassed
> this by publishing this under his own. Yeats and Brussell were also
members
> by the way and Waite, the biggest fraud of all!
> I can't think of anything harder than the very exercises he
suggest. Try
> doing one or making it past the first three or four direction. You
forget he
> was on the first expedition on to K2 mountain. If that is not hard
work , i
> don't know what is. The etremity of his excercises is beyond what
very few
> can endure. This is what seperates him from others on this alone if
no only.
>
> The goal of his methods are self discovery. His philosophy is
directly
> from William Blake. look at the Marriage of heaven and hell
> Evil people are going to be evil and will always find someone to
miss quote
> to do what they would do anyway.
> Look at Anton who headed the Chuch of Satan supposedly. he was a
circus
> performer and liked to do nothing more than play the organ. i think
he was
> far more into the category in which you speak. a great comic though
as his
> videos show
>
> >
> >
> > > the comparison to Manson ( who i
> > > happen to seesing in Box Canyon in the 60's) is rather
ridiculous.
> > >
> >
> > Manson was one of the people whom Crowley got to, even in death.
His
> > combination of heroin, Crowley and LSD didn't do Sharon Tate much
> > good. It also destroyed the reputation of LSD and that was
arguably
> > an even greater evil than slicing up Sharon.
>
> You might as well blame Nietzche for Hitler. ( possibly easier to
do).
> Crowley's herion problem was caused by it being prescribed by a
doctor back
> in the days when such things were done.
> Mansion single handedly destroyed the whole hippie movement along
with LSD
> exploration. Possibly he did the same with Aliester Crowley but i
bet he
> never did more than skim a book or two, his ego was too big to
accept he
> could actually learn something from others . The drug connection to
a whole
> slew of hollywood stars was covered up and in the tate house a list
was
> given as to who would be next. I know cause i know someone who was
warned
> they were on the list days after the murder.
> let us not forget that the Beach Boys recorded one of charlies
songs
> 'Summer'.
>
> Let us look at real evil. Clinton who refused to ban landmines (
made by
> honeywell BTW) which maim so many children around the world. His
last day he
> releases a cocaine dealer and lets L. Peltier (innocent by even
FBI's own
> evidence) rot in jail as he nears death.
>
> >
> >
> > > Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady
<kraiggrady@a...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are quoting the gigantic fraud Aleister Crowley as a moral
> > > > authority? Why stop there? Maybe Charlie Manson could give you
> > some
> > > > even better soundbites.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -- -Kraig Grady
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > http://www.anaphoria.com
> > > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > > KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

Kraig

Perhaps my opinions on Crowley seem unfair but they are based upon
those I have known who espouse his writings. Such people seem
invariably to be astrologers, tarot artists, crystal gazers and other
junk religionists.

Don't think I single out only such religions for criticism. The
world's greatest junk religion is Judaism and its derivatives are
responsible for most of the world's suffering.

The only meaningful combination of the concepts of 'religion'
and 'freedom' is FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. All the US population's
delusions about being 'free' are just so much hokey. Until it frees
itself from the chains of such psychotic irrationality, the fruitcake
gene carried to the Americas by Cotton Mather, it will be ripe for
any right-wing fascist takeover. But hey - that already happened,
didn't it?

🔗kraig grady <kraiggrady@...>

Hi Peter!

he starts one of his books with the quote
'Divination is like a blind man trying to gain sight by becoming Blind
Drunk'.

I will admit that he attracks the worse, but some of the best too.
fortunately i was introdiuced to him by one of the latter.
not that i have much use for him now.

Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:

>
>
> Kraig
>
> Perhaps my opinions on Crowley seem unfair but they are based upon
> those I have known who espouse his writings. Such people seem
> invariably to be astrologers, tarot artists, crystal gazers and other
> junk religionists.
>
> Don't think I single out only such religions for criticism. The
> world's greatest junk religion is Judaism and its derivatives are
> responsible for most of the world's suffering.
>
> The only meaningful combination of the concepts of 'religion'
> and 'freedom' is FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. All the US population's
> delusions about being 'free' are just so much hokey. Until it frees
> itself from the chains of such psychotic irrationality, the fruitcake
> gene carried to the Americas by Cotton Mather, it will be ripe for
> any right-wing fascist takeover. But hey - that already happened,
> didn't it?
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST