main list bouncing #2

Here's another bouncer:

/tuning/topicId_45684.html#45951

>
> > From: monz@a... [mailto:monz@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:04 PM
> > To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [tuning] Re: valve trumpet intonation - table
> >
> >
> > hi Justin,
> >
> >
> > > From: Justin Weaver [mailto:improvist@u...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:44 PM
> > > To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [tuning] Re: valve trumpet intonation - table
> > >
> > >
> > > This is wonderful information. Thanks-- I printed it out.
> >
> >
> > glad you found it useful. i'm going to expand it
> > into a webpage which also gives the prime-factor vector
> > (which Gene has dubbed a "monzo", and which, of course,
> > i will not hesitate to employ!) and a lattice-diagram
> > graphing the precise theoretical tuning for each note
> > of the trumpet in prime-space.
>
>
>
> no lattices yet, but everything else is here:
>
> http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/trumpet/trumpet-intonation.htm
>
>

***So, essentially, Monz, the question is how one goes about writing
just intonation for the trumpet. Is it possible just to specify the
valves in the score with an indication to play them without
bending?? That's pretty interesting.

Essentially, this is somewhat similar to the just intonation work I
did with French Horn and the wonderful Belgian player, Francis Orval,
who is an enthusiastic just intonation advocate.

Basically, I just indicated the fingerings and the players were to
use these overtone pitches without altering them to 12-equal...

Joe Pehrson

hi Joe,

it's only low-integer-ratio JI (i.e., "regular JI")
when you use only open harmonics or one valve.

if you use 2 or 3 valves in combination, it's still RI,
but the ratios are much more complex, as my table shows.

... but in any case, it's pretty far from 12edo.

-monz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Pehrson [mailto:jpehrson@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:13 AM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] main list bouncing #2
>
>
> Here's another bouncer:
>
>
> /tuning/topicId_45684.html#45951
>
> >
> > http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/trumpet/trumpet-intonation.htm
> >
> >
>
> ***So, essentially, Monz, the question is how one goes about writing
> just intonation for the trumpet. Is it possible just to specify the
> valves in the score with an indication to play them without
> bending?? That's pretty interesting.
>
> Essentially, this is somewhat similar to the just intonation work I
> did with French Horn and the wonderful Belgian player, Francis Orval,
> who is an enthusiastic just intonation advocate.
>
> Basically, I just indicated the fingerings and the players were to
> use these overtone pitches without altering them to 12-equal...
>
> Joe Pehrson

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, <monz@a...> wrote:
> hi Joe,
>
>
> it's only low-integer-ratio JI (i.e., "regular JI")
> when you use only open harmonics or one valve.
>
> if you use 2 or 3 valves in combination, it's still RI,
> but the ratios are much more complex, as my table shows.
>
> ... but in any case, it's pretty far from 12edo.

as you can clearly hear when listening to miles davis . . .