The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney

The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney

By Greg Palast, AlterNet
June 18, 2003
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16172

Have you heard about Cynthia McKinney, former
U.S. Congresswoman?

According to those quoted on National Public
Radio, McKinney’s “a loose cannon�* (media expert)
who “the people of Atlanta are embarrassed and
disgusted�* (politician) by, and she is also “loony�*
and “dangerous�* (senator from her own party).

Yow! And why is McKinney
dangerous/loony/disgusting? According to NPR,
“McKinney implied that the [Bush] Administration
knew in advance about September 11 and
deliberately held back the information.�*

The New York Times’ Lynette Clemetson revealed
her comments went even further over the edge:
“Ms. McKinney suggest[ed] that President Bush
might have known about the September 11 attacks
but did nothing so his supporters could make
money in a war.�*

That’s loony, all right. As an editor of the
highly respected Atlanta Journal Constitution
told NPR, McKinney’s “practically accused the
President of murder!�*

Problem is, McKinney never said it.

That’s right. The “quote�* from McKinney is a
complete fabrication. A whopper, a fabulous fib,
a fake, a flim-flam. Just freakin’ made up.

---------------------

[Greg Palast] Hi, Lynette. My name is Greg
Palast, and I wanted to follow up on a story of
yours. It says, let’s see, after the opening –
it’s about Cynthia McKinney – it’s dated
Washington byline August 21. “McKinney’s
[opponent] capitalized on the furor caused by
Miss McKinney’s suggestion this year that
President Bush might have known about the
September 11 attacks but did nothing so his
supporters could make money in a war.�* Now, I
have been trying my darndest to find this phrase
. . . I can’t. . .

Lynette Clemetson, New York Times: Did you search
the Atlanta Journal Constitution?

GP Yes, but I haven’t been able to find that
statement.

LC I’ve heard that statement – it was all over
the place.

GP I know it was all over the place, except no
one can find it and that’s why I’m concerned. Now
did you see the statement in the Atlanta Journal
Constitution?

LC Yeah....

[Note: No such direct quote from McKinney can be
found in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.]

GP And did you confirm this with McKinney?

LC Well, I worked with her office. The statement
is from the floor of the House [of
Representatives].... Right?

GP So did you check the statement from the Floor
of the House?

LC I mean I wouldn’t have done the story. . . .
Have you looked at House transcripts?

GP Yes. Did you check that?

LC Of course.

GP You did check it?

[Note: No such McKinney statement can be found in
the transcripts or other records of the House of
Representatives.]

LC I think you have to go back to the House
transcripts.... I mean it was all over the place
at the time.

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Yes, this is one fact the Times reporter didn’t
fake: The McKinney “quote�* was, indeed, all over
the place: in the Washington Post, National
Public Radio, and needless to say, all the other
metropolitan dailies – everywhere but in
Congresswoman McKinney’s mouth.

Nor was it in the Congressional Record, nor in
any recorded talk, nor on her Website, nor in any
of her radio talks. Here’s the Congresswoman’s
statement from the record:

“George Bush had no prior knowledge of the plan
to attack the World Trade Center on September
11.�*

Oh.

And I should say former Congresswoman McKinney.

She was beaten in the August 2002 Democratic
primary. More precisely, she was beaten to death,
politically, by the fabricated quote.

---------------------

Months before the 2000 presidential elections,
the offices of Florida Governor Jeb Bush and
Secretary of State Katherine Harris ordered the
removal of 90,000 citizens from the voter rolls
because they were convicted felons . . . and
felons can’t vote in Florida. There was one
problem: 97 percent of those on the list were, in
fact, innocent.

They weren’t felons, but they were guilty . . .
of not being white. Over half the list contained
names of non-whites. I’m not guessing: I have the
list from out of the computers of Katherine
Harris’ office – and the “scrubbed�* voter’s race
is listed with each name.

And that’s how our President was elected: by
illegally removing tens of thousands of legal
African American voters before the race.

But you knew that . . . at least you did if you
read the British papers – I reported this
discovery for the Guardian of London. And I
reported again on the nightly news. You saw that
. . . if you live in Europe or Canada or South
America.

In the USA, the story ran on page zero. Well, let
me correct that a bit. The Washington Post did
run the story on the fake felon list that
selected our President – even with a comment
under my byline. I wrote the story within weeks
of the election, while Al Gore was still in the
race. The Post courageously ran it . . . seven
months after the election.

The New York Times ran it . . . well, never, even
after Katherine Harris confessed the scam to a
Florida court after she and the state were
successfully sued by the NAACP.

So, I can’t say the New York Times always makes
up the news. Sometimes the news just doesn’t make
it.

------------------

At BBC Television, we had Florida’s computer
files and documents, marked “confidential�* –
stone-cold evidence showing how the vote fix was
deliberately crafted by Republican officials. Not
a single major U.S. paper asked for the documents
– not from the state of Florida nor from the BBC.
Only one U.S. Congressperson asked for the
evidence and made it public: Cynthia McKinney of
Atlanta.

That was her mistake.

The company that came up with the faux felon list
that determined the presidency: a Republican-tied
database company named “ChoicePoint,�* one of the
richest, most powerful companies in Atlanta.

----------------------

Before I started with the BBC in London, I took a
one-day television training course with the
Washington correspondent for Fox News.

We filmed Al Gore. Specifically, we filmed the
eleven seconds of Gore’s impromptu remarks . . .
which we’d been given two hours earlier by his
advance ladies. They wore blue suits.

The man for the Associated Press wrote a lead
paragraph of Gore’s impromptu remarks one hour
before Al walked in and said them. The network
reporter copied down the AP lead line. I copied
down the AP lead line.

After we got Al Gore’s eleven seconds and footage
of someone in the crowd saying, “Wow, Al Gore
really talked different from the way Al Gore
usually talks,�* we set up in front of the hotel
where Al Gore talked. The important network
reporter looked sternly into the camera and spoke
in a very important voice. I squinted into the
camera and spoke in a very important voice.

I can’t remember what I said.

He can’t remember what he said.

No one can remember what we said.

No one should.

----------------------

Did I mention to you that (ex-)Congresswoman
McKinney is black? And not just any kind of
black. She’s the uppity kind of black.

What I mean by uppity is this:

After George Bush Senior left the White House, he
became an advisor and lobbyist for a Canadian
gold-mining company, Barrick Gold. Hey, a guy’s
got to work. But there were a couple of questions
about Barrick, to say the least. For example, was
Barrick’s Congo gold mine funding both sides of a
civil war and perpetuating that bloody conflict?
Only one Congressperson demanded hearings on the
matter.

You’ve guessed: Cynthia McKinney.

That was covered in the . . . well, it wasn’t
covered at all in the U.S. press.

McKinney contacted me at the BBC. She asked if
I’d heard of Barrick. Indeed, I had. Top human
rights investigators had evidence that a mine
that Barrick bought in 1999 had, in clearing
their Tanzanian properties three years earlier,
bulldozed mine shafts . . . burying about 50
miners alive.

I certainly knew Barrick: They’d sued the
Guardian for daring to run a story I’d written
about the allegations of the killings. Barrick
never sued an American paper for daring to run
the story, because no American paper dared.

The primary source for my story, an
internationally famous lawyer named Tundu Lissu,
was charged by the Tanzanian police with
sedition, and arrested, for calling for an
investigation. McKinney has been trying to save
his life with an international campaign aimed at
Barrick.

That was another of her mistakes.

------------------

The New York Times wrote about McKinney that
Atlanta’s “prominent Black leaders – including
Julian Bond, the chairman of the NAACP and former
Mayor Maynard Jackson – who had supported Ms.
McKinney in the past – distanced themselves from
her this time.�*

Really? Atlanta has four internationally
recognized black leaders. Martin Luther King III
did not abandon McKinney. I checked with him. Nor
did Julian Bond (the Times ran a rare retraction
on their website at Bond’s request). But that
left Atlanta’s two other notables: Vernon Jordan
and Andrew Young. Here, the Times had it right;
no question that these two black faces of the
Atlanta Establishment let McKinney twist slowly
in the wind – because, the Times implied, of her
alleged looniness.

But maybe there was another reason Young and
Jordan let McKinney swing. Remember Barrick?
George Bush’s former gold-mining company, the
target of McKinney’s investigations? Did I
mention to you that Andy Young and Vernon Jordan
are both on Barrick’s payroll? Well, I just did.

Did the Times mention it? I guess that wasn’t fit
to print.

-------------------

I suppose it’s my fault, McKinney’s electronic
lynching. Unlike other politicians, McKinney,
who’s earning her doctorate at Princeton’s
Fletcher School of Diplomacy, enjoys doing her
own research, not relying on staff memos. She’s
long been a reader of my reports from Britain,
including transcripts of BBC Television
investigations. On November 6, 2001, BBC
Newsnight ran this report with a follow-up story
in the Guardian the next day:

<< Wednesday, November 7, 2001

Probes Before 11 September

Officials Told to 'Back Off' on Saudis Before
September 11.

FBI and military intelligence officials in
Washington say they were prevented for political
reasons from carrying out full investigations
into members of the Bin Laden family in the US
before the terrorist attacks of September 11. US
intelligence agencies have come under criticism
for their wholesale failure to predict the
catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But some
are complaining that their hands were tied.

FBI documents shown on BBC Newsnight last night
and obtained by the Guardian show that they had
earlier sought to investigate two of Osama bin
Laden's relatives in Washington and a Muslim
organisation, with which they were linked.>>

And so on. There was not one word in there that
Bush knew about the September 11 attacks in
advance. It was about a horrific intelligence
failure. This was the result, FBI and CIA/DIA
(Defense Intelligence Agency) insiders told us at
BBC, of a block placed on investigations of Saudi
Arabian financing of terror. We even showed
on-screen a copy of a top-secret document passed
to us by disgruntled FBI agents, directing that
the agency would not investigate a “suspected
terrorist organization�* headed in the US by a
member of the bin Laden family. The FBI knew
about these guys before September 11 (with their
office down the street from the hijackers’
address).

The CIA also knew about a meeting in Paris, prior
to September 11, involving a Saudi prince, arms
dealers, and al Qaeda. Although the information
was in hand, the investigation was stymied by
Bush’s intelligence chiefs. This is what McKinney
wanted investigated.

Why were the Saudis, the bin Ladens (except
Osama), and this organization (the World Assembly
of Muslim Youth) off the investigation list prior
to September 11, despite evidence that they were
reasonable targets for inquiry? The BBC thought
it worth asking; the Guardian thought it worth
asking – and so did Congresswoman McKinney. Why
no pre-September 11 investigations of these
characters?

And what was the reason for the block? According
to the experts we broadcast on British
television, it was the Bush Administration’s
fanatic desire to protect their relations with
Saudi Arabia – a deadly policy prejudice which,
according to the respected Center for Public
Integrity of Washington, DC, seems influenced by
the Bush family ties, and Republican donors’
ties, to Saudi royalty. McKinney, a member of the
House Foreign Relations Committee, thought the
BBC/Guardian/Observer investigation worth a
follow-up Congressional review.

According to NPR, her “loony�* statement was made
on the radio news show Counterspin. (Not
incidentally, Counterspin is produced by an NPR
competitor, the nonprofit Pacifica Radio
Network.) I have the transcript; it’s on the web.
Her charge that Bush knew about the September 11
attacks in advance and deliberately covered it up
can’t be found.

What can be read is her call for a follow-up on
the revelations from the BBC and USA Today on the
information about a growing terror threat ignored
by Bush . . . and whether the policy response –
war, war, war – was protecting America or simply
enriching Bush’s big arms industry donors and
business partners. Fair questions. But asking
them is dangerous . . . to one’s political
career.

-----------------------------------------

The BBC report which got McKinney in hot water
mentioned the Bush Administration’s reluctance to
investigate associates of the World Assembly of
Muslim Youth (WAMY), which the FBI secret
document termed “a suspected terrorist
organization.�* They may be. They may not be.
McKinney’s question was only, Why no
investigation?

Just after McKinney’s defeat, the courier of
Osama bin Laden's latest alleged taped threat
against the United States was busted in Africa:
He was on the staff of WAMY. Shortly thereafter,
Prince Abdullah, the Saudi dictator, invited WAMY
leaders to his palace and told them, “There is no
extremism in the defending of the faith.�*

So if you listen to U.S. radio and read U.S.
papers, you are told this: Abdullah’s protector
and godfather, George W. Bush, is sane and
patriotic, and McKinney, who wants to investigate
these guys, is a loony and a traitor. Got it?

--------------------------------------------

Ted Koppel’s Nightline did a kind of follow-up to
the BBC elections story. Our BBC team discovered
that of the 180,000 votes never counted in the
Florida 2000 presidential race, a sickeningly
disproportionate number came from black counties.
In Gadsden County, where more than half the
population is black, one in eight ballots was
marked "spoiled" and, thus, never counted.

Koppel’s team got on the case, flying down to
Florida to find out why thousands of black votes
were never counted. They talked to experts, they
talked to important white people, and Koppel
reported this: Many blacks are new to voting and,
with limited education, have a difficult time
with marking the sophisticated ballots. In other
words, ABC concluded, African Americans are too
fucking dumb to figure out how to vote.

Hey, if true, then you have to report it. But it
wasn’t. It was a fib, a tall tale, made-for-TV
mendacity, polite liberal electronic
cross-burning intellectual eugenics.

Here’s the real scoop: All races of voters make
errors on paper ballots. But in white counties
like Leon (Tallahassee), if you make a stray mark
or other error, the vote machine rejects your
ballot, and you get another ballot to vote again.
But in black counties like Gadsden, you make a
mistake and the machine quietly accepts and voids
your ballot.

In other words, it wasn’t that African Americans
are too dumb to vote but that European American
reporters are too dumb to ask, too lazy to
bother, too gutless to tell officialdom to stop
lying into the cameras.

-----------------------------------

Back in the edit room with Mr. Washington Network
TV Reporter, we were ready to bake the cake, the
Gore story. We had all the ingredients.

“Take out your watch,�* said the Fox man.

“You get 90 seconds,�* he said. “That’s what you
get. You got an intro, 40 seconds of narration,
two sound bites, and end with a stand-up to
camera.�*

I repeated, “Forty seconds narrate, two sound
bites, stand-up.�*

He said, “Two sound bites and a stand-up. Every
story. Every time.�*

He said, “What do you think?�*

I said, “I think I’m leaving the country.�*

Greg Palast is an investigative reporter for BBC
television and author of the New York Times
bestseller, “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy�*
(Penguin/Plume 2003). This article is based on
his contribution to the compendium, "Abuse Your
Illusions," released this month by Disinformation
Press. Oliver Shykles, Fredda Weinberg, Ina
Howard, and Phil Tanfield contributed research
for this report.
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Hi Kraig,

The BBC correspondent has missed other sides to the McKinney situation. She
and her father had been notorious anti-semites. Her losses were more a result
of outlandish things they both said than the actual questioning of Bush.

best, Johnny

If they wanted to do character assassination, why do you think this was never
mentioned?
and how do we know that these remarks aren't as misquoted as these?
was she one of those "4000 jews stayed home on 9/11?
is there a large jewish population in Atlanta?

Afmmjr@... wrote:

> Hi Kraig,
>
> The BBC correspondent has missed other sides to the McKinney situation. She
> and her father had been notorious anti-semites. Her losses were more a result
> of outlandish things they both said than the actual questioning of Bush.
>
> best, Johnny
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In a message dated 6/19/03 11:37:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kraiggrady@... writes:

> was she one of those "4000 jews stayed home on 9/11?
> is there a large jewish population in Atlanta?
>
>

Do you think 4000 jews stayed home? That's part of the set up. Oh, and it
was the jews that destroyed the world trade towers (McKinnney's father...I
heard him on TV). And anti-semitism does not require a jewish population for it
to be frowned upon.

best, Johnny

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Afmmjr@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/19/03 11:37:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> kraiggrady@... writes:
>
> > was she one of those "4000 jews stayed home on 9/11?
> > is there a large jewish population in Atlanta?
> >
> >
>
> Do you think 4000 jews stayed home?

stupid question. but less people were in the building than normal weren't they? or
do people who work there normally don't start so early, i don't know. I have no
reason to believe that they were jewish or any particular race or religion, just
capitalist.
It seems to say that there were 4000 jews in the building who worked there might be
questionable in the first place. How many jews were killed, i don't know or is it
relevent.
That there are alot of very blatant questions that need to be answered and
aren;'t even approached and one of the few persons who asked these questions gets
such black listing is an unjustice.

> That's part of the set up.

what set up?

> Oh, and it
> was the jews that destroyed the world trade towers (McKinnney's father...I
> heard him on TV).

I want to see a referance to her being anti semite because if that is what defeated
her there should be proof.
or is it she just wasn't so overwhelmily pro israel.
of course it would be hard to believe the new york times considering
it course record on her and otherwise.
I have relatives that do nor share my feels on a lot of things.

> And anti-semitism does not require a jewish population for it
> to be frowned upon.

then she would not have gotten elected in the first place.

What bothers me about all of this even if she were ant-semite ( i DO want to really
know since it would taint her anti israeli stand in directions, i could not
support) , it seems that is ALL you care about. that the times and NPR can black
list somebody by saying things she didn't say seem to be of no interest to you. I
get the impression as long as we have a dictator that was pro israel you would be
happy. It is ALL i remember you posting about.

>
>
> best, Johnny
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In a message dated 6/19/03 1:12:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kraiggrady@... writes:

>
> Afmmjr@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 6/19/03 11:37:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > kraiggrady@... writes:
> >
> > > was she one of those "4000 jews stayed home on 9/11?
> > > is there a large jewish population in Atlanta?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Do you think 4000 jews stayed home?
>
> stupid question. but less people were in the building than normal weren't
> they? or
> do people who work there normally don't start so early, i don't know. I have
> no
> reason to believe that they were jewish or any particular race or religion,
> just
> capitalist.
> It seems to say that there were 4000 jews in the building who worked there
> might be
> questionable in the first place. How many jews were killed, i don't know or
> is it
> relevent.

Ah, but I do know. My ex-wife worked in the towers. There were plenty of
people killed and plenty of people who escaped. It was from Saudi Arabia that
it was spread that Saudi's did not have any involvement (though there were 18
of 19). I asked you the question because you stated it as fact that 4000
stayed home. It was early in the morning (I was still asleep). Some hadn't gotten
in the building yet. A good friend was researching the very question of
whether there were any warnings, or if any could have avoided being there. The
answer was no. As for capitalists. Do you consider all the secretaries
"capitalists." That would be news to me, as that is how I made money to pay the
rent.

> That there are alot of very blatant questions that need to be answered
> and
> aren;'t even approached and one of the few persons who asked these questions
> gets such black listing is an unjustice.
>

I agree that there is much to answered and much to be asked. She was not the
only one. I merely responded that I had heard other issues are involved with
her unpopularity.

> > That's part of the set up.
>
> what set up?
>
> > Oh, and it
> > was the jews that destroyed the world trade towers (McKinnney's father...I
> > heard him on TV).
>
> I want to see a referance to her being anti semite because if that is what
> defeated
> her there should be proof.

Search the internet and you'll likely find something.

> or is it she just wasn't so overwhelmily pro israel.

I used my words very carefully. It had nothing to do with Israel.

> of course it would be hard to believe the new york times considering
> it course record on her and otherwise.
> I have relatives that do nor share my feels on a lot of things.
>

Yes, well I saw her father blame the Jews for her losing her re-election
campaign, and it was ugly.

> > And anti-semitism does not require a jewish population for it
> > to be frowned upon.
>
> then she would not have gotten elected in the first place.
>

Huh? Her views became strident after election, no doubt. Certainly, more
heard about it. Remember, I don't live in Georgia, but I heard about this all
over the air waves, though two years ago, now.

> What bothers me about all of this even if she were ant-semite ( i DO want
> to really
> know since it would taint her anti israeli stand in directions, i could not
> support) , it seems that is ALL you care about.

That is really unfair. Would you doubt that Hitler was an anti-semite?
(though I don't believe you do.) Are you questioning my recollections of
McKinney? Maybe anti-semitism is a bit more personal and REAL to me than it is to you

that the times and NPR can black > list somebody by saying things she didn't
> say seem to be of no interest to you. I get the impression as long as we have
> a dictator that was pro israel you would be happy. It is ALL i remember you
> posting about.

I wonder if there is anyone else on Metatuning that is of Jewish background.
If not, then you should not be surprised that I respond to this issue. And I
have stated many times my views about Israel, mostly negative regarding
settlements. Additionally, I have never visited there for political reasons.
Perhaps you could part the sea a bit and realize things are not black and white on
this.

For the record, I am anti-dictator. I have never supported any US politician
that was too Israel oriented, at least before 9/11. Kraig, why not accept,
out of respect for knowing me, that I may be right about McKinnley regarding
anti-semitism?

best, Johnny

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http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-08-28/fishwrapper.html

Excerpts:

"McKinney had issues, legitimate ones. She allowed the bigots in her camp to
turn them into anti-Semitism. And, with her recycled endorsements, she
succumbed to desperation rather than rising to principled campaigning."

AND

"The ex-campaign worker also was dismayed by "Mafia-like" domination of the
campaign by two detestable people, McKinney's father, state Rep. Billy "It's
the J-E-W-S" McKinney, and Sherry "It's the White Devils" Dorsey, last seen in
public watching her ex-sheriff hubby go to the Big House for murder. "

The above seem to represent the kinds of things I responded to in Kraig's
message.

best, Johnny

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@a... wrote:

> I wonder if there is anyone else on Metatuning that is of Jewish
>background.

i know of one, the metatuning home page asks whether this person is
the spawn of satan. not that this has anything to do with anti-
semitism (it doesn't) . . .

thanks for sending this

Afmmjr@... wrote:

> http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-08-28/fishwrapper.html
>
> Excerpts:
>
> "McKinney had issues, legitimate ones. She allowed the bigots in her camp to
> turn them into anti-Semitism. And, with her recycled endorsements, she
> succumbed to desperation rather than rising to principled campaigning."
>
> AND
>
> "The ex-campaign worker also was dismayed by "Mafia-like" domination of the
> campaign by two detestable people, McKinney's father, state Rep. Billy "It's
> the J-E-W-S" McKinney, and Sherry "It's the White Devils" Dorsey, last seen in
> public watching her ex-sheriff hubby go to the Big House for murder. "
>
>
> The above seem to represent the kinds of things I responded to in Kraig's
> message.
>
> best, Johnny
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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Afmmjr@... wrote:

> http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-08-28/fishwrapper.html
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> "McKinney had issues, legitimate ones. She allowed the bigots in her camp to
> turn them into anti-Semitism. And, with her recycled endorsements, she
> succumbed to desperation rather than rising to principled campaigning."
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> "The ex-campaign worker also was dismayed by "Mafia-like" domination of the
> campaign by two detestable people, McKinney's father, state Rep. Billy "It's
> the J-E-W-S" McKinney, and Sherry "It's the White Devils" Dorsey, last seen in
> public watching her ex-sheriff hubby go to the Big House for murder. "
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> The above seem to represent the kinds of things I responded to in Kraig's
> message.
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> best, Johnny
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Afmmjr@... wrote:

> I asked you the question because you stated it as fact that 4000
> stayed home.

i was being sarcastic whic does not carry over email i must admit. It
is a great
absurdity to think that 400 people can keep a secret.

> It was early in the morning (I was still asleep). Some hadn't gotten
> in the building yet. A good friend was researching the very question of
> whether there were any warnings, or if any could have avoided being there. The
> answer was no.

I imagined this was the case

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> > what set up?
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> > > Oh, and it
> > > was the jews that destroyed the world trade towers (McKinnney's father...I
> > > heard him on TV).

Oh i see , i was not referring to this being said by her father, nor
knew this is what
you were referring to as hinm saying. i know nothing about her father.

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> > I want to see a referance to her being anti semite because if that is what
> > defeated
> > her there should be proof.
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> Search the internet and you'll likely find something.
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> > or is it she just wasn't so overwhelmily pro israel.
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> I used my words very carefully. It had nothing to do with Israel.
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> > of course it would be hard to believe the new york times considering
> > it course record on her and otherwise.
> > I have relatives that do nor share my feels on a lot of things.
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> Yes, well I saw her father blame the Jews for her losing her re-election
> campaign, and it was ugly.
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> > What bothers me about all of this even if she were ant-semite ( i DO want
> > to really
> > know since it would taint her anti israeli stand in directions, i could not
> > support) , it seems that is ALL you care about.
>
> That is really unfair. Would you doubt that Hitler was an anti-semite?
> (though I don't believe you do.) Are you questioning my recollections of
> McKinney? Maybe anti-semitism is a bit more personal and REAL to me than it is to you
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> that the times and NPR can black > list somebody by saying things she didn't
> > say seem to be of no interest to you. I get the impression as long as we have
> > a dictator that was pro israel you would be happy. It is ALL i remember you
> > posting about.
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> I wonder if there is anyone else on Metatuning that is of Jewish background.
> If not, then you should not be surprised that I respond to this issue.

The only issue you have responded to is still wheather she is an
anti-semite which was
not the issue at all in the first place, The issue is black listing
someone by having
someone say something they didn't say.
In retrospecrt i remember hearing Pacifica stating that allot of
pro-israeli money
went into defeating her. Possibly this means that pacifica is
anti-semite too. And that
it is no more true than the stories against Cynthia. Which means they
would be no better
than those who they oppose
If someone has this done, one has to wonder if such a charge does
not come from the
same source. If you are label anti-semite, lets face it, you are over
with. (except maybe
in orange county).

> And I
> have stated many times my views about Israel, mostly negative regarding
> settlements. Additionally, I have never visited there for political reasons.

some how Johnny i missed that which i wuill assume th fault lies with myself.

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> Perhaps you could part the sea a bit and realize things are not black and white on
> this.

I don't think i have taken a black and white view except in the case of
the press abusing
their powers

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> For the record, I am anti-dictator. I have never supported any US politician
> that was too Israel oriented, at least before 9/11. Kraig, why not accept,
> out of respect for knowing me, that I may be right about McKinnley regarding
> anti-semitism?

You probably are right , i just wanted some documentation for my own
piece of mind. I am
not going to run around and say she is anti-semite unless i have
something to back it up
on some decent level.

-- -Kraig Grady
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http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
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In a message dated 6/19/03 8:37:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kraiggrady@... writes:

> In retrospecrt i remember hearing Pacifica stating that allot of
> pro-israeli money
> went into defeating her. Possibly this means that pacifica is
> anti-semite too.

Actually, I heard that Jews helped defeat her by raising money. But let's
face it, Kraig, Cynthia McKinney was elected 5 times in her Georgia
congressional district. She was voted out democratically in the district where she had 5
times been voted in. You and I have nothing to do with it, nor does anyone
else but the voters. There could be lots of reasons for her failure to be
elected. Why base this on one issue?

Johnny

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@a... wrote:
> She was voted out democratically in the district where she had 5
> times been voted in. You and I have nothing to do with it, nor
> does anyone else but the voters. There could be lots of reasons
> for her failure to be elected. Why base this on one issue?

That is pretty hypocritical, Johnny, since you base many things on one issue. If you haven't noticed, the American populice is complacent, not particularly well-educated, and easily swayed (reference the current studies showing how many Americans actually thing WMD *have* been found in Iraq, and that the administration has been vindicated on their bogus claims) - if you haven't noticed, money buys elections.

I'll state that again:

Money Buys Elections.

Question: if a decidedly Jewish coalition contributed the bulk of funding to a candidate, who had previously been a complete underdog, manages to - by virtue of the capital investment - elect that candidate, should we completely ignore the fact? And, for that matter, shouldn't we pay attention to ANY group/faction/interest that, by virtue of overwhelming financial strength, seeks to influence an electorate?

Cheers,
Jon

In a message dated 6/19/03 11:13:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSZANTO@... writes:

> Money Buys Elections.

It is a sad fact, but I agree with you. Money buys elections. If you don't
have millions you cannot become President, Governor, or even Mayor of most
cities.

>
> Question: if a decidedly Jewish coalition contributed the bulk of funding to
> a candidate, who had previously been a complete underdog, manages to - by
> virtue of the capital investment - elect that candidate, should we completely
> ignore the fact?

Absolutely not. But after 5 times in congress, why would Ms. McKinney be
considered an underdog? Incumbency is worth its weight in gold as well.

And, for that matter, shouldn't we pay attention to ANY
group/faction/interest that,
> by virtue of overwhelming financial strength, seeks to influence an
> electorate?

I'm not sure what you are assuming here. Please, let us all pay attention.
That's what I did when I picked up on the news about McKinney. All I was
saying is that the BBC article did not mention how disliked she had become because
of a sense of anti-Semitism in her campaign. That money was used to push her
out was a direct result of this.

best, Johnny

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Johnny,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@a... wrote:
> Absolutely not. But after 5 times in congress, why would Ms.
> McKinney be considered an underdog?

You misread my post: I said that the money was used to support, and eventually elect, an underdog candidate. Incumbants, especially with that long an incumbancy, hardly lose unless they either f**k up entirely (Gary Condit, and other people done in by their shenanigans) or are tremendously outspent.

> That's what I did when I picked up on the news about McKinney.
> All I was saying is that the BBC article did not mention how
> disliked she had become because of a sense of anti-Semitism in
> her campaign.

And good to bring that point up, in spite of the fact that every article cannot be of a life-span comprehensive nature. In light of the gaudy extent of the remarks made on her behalf, it should have been included *somewhere* in the article.

> That money was used to push her out was a direct result of this.

But that doesn't make it OK, does it? I can fully get behind a groundswell of public opinion that rises in outrage and boots someone out of office, but I can't condone it here or else I'd have to condone it if some right-wing anti-abortion anti-environment candidate swept into office on the heels of millions of dollars (yes, for me this would be considered a 'bad' candidate, just to be clear).

All of this as Bushman sets out to break records raking in the cash...

Cheers,
Jon

In a message dated 6/20/03 2:15:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JSZANTO@...
writes:

> You misread my post: I said that the money was used to support, and
> eventually elect, an underdog candidate. Incumbants, especially with that long an
> incumbancy, hardly lose unless they either f**k up entirely (Gary Condit, and
> other people done in by their shenanigans) or are tremendously outspent.
>

Oops. Sorry I didn't realize who you meant as the underdog. However, I
recall Jacob Javits losing his Senate position, or Al D'Amato, and others that
lost their positions (Barr in Georgia) who had been elected many times before
finally being let go by the voters. These politicians are not covered by your
caveats.

Hopefully the eventual winner is doing good work for their congressional
district. At least I haven't heard otherwise. The only negative I heard was
"bland."

Johnny

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