Re: [metatuning] Unlimited war?.2

In a message dated 9/22/01 2:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dante.interport@... writes:

> Johnny-
>
> > Dante, I'm not convinced this was an omission at all. Did the
> > Jews of Central
> > Europe need to rethink their bad luck while they were waiting in
> > line for the
> > ovens?
>
> Johnny, I'm sorry but the parallels between the situation now and what
> happened to the Jews in central Europe 50 years ago is exactly 0. Unless of
> course you want to point out that innocent Muslims in this country are in
> danger of being attacked as scapegoats just as the Jews were attacked in
> Germany as scapegoats at that time.
>

Then you miss a few points. 50 years ago is fully in the mind of the
Israelis. And U.S. support of Israel is based in great part on this
historical baggage. Scapegoating is wrong, but this is not the connection I
am making. It is superficial to think from only one side. It is only half
the story. Don't you agree? I do not believe any change in action on the
U.S.'s part will change the murderous conspiracy of terror groups, angling
for power in Islamic countries.

> > Laden. So Saddam
> > starves his own people and the U.S. is charged as full culprit.
> > This is not
> > the full truth.
>
> I'm not aware of anyone in the west saying the US is the "full culprit". The
> question is, are our sanctions against Iraq really hurting Saddam, or just
> the people of Iraq?
>
>

Obviously both, and unfortunately. This policy should constantly be
re-thought, but not any more so now because of the stepped-up actions of
suicide terrorists. It is the new situation in the world that dictates
action be taken to prevent further catastrophes. Someone told me (from ABC
News) that they are making bread in Afghanistan with grass and grasshopper
meat. And that is with $132 million of U.S. support?

> > I discussion of improvisation as being badly impacted by too much
> > thinking
> > should not be taken out of context. War is in itself not
> > improvisation, but
> > planning. Maybe you could consider planning a form of
> > appropriate thinking.
>
> Yes, I would consider planning a form of appropriate thinking. This includes
> planning to remove the causes of terrorism, such as unjust US foreign
> policies that anger even moderate Muslims around the world.
>
Injustice in Muslim countries is rife, don't you think? It seems to be in
its own tracks, quite independent of U.S. involvement. IMO

Johnny Reinhard

> Dante
>
>
>

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>It is superficial to think from only one side. It is
> only half
> the story. Don't you agree?

Of course I agree. That is exactly why I am seeking out, reading, and
sometimes posting, views from other sides of the story. What we are getting
on CNN >is< only one side of the story.

>I do not believe any change in
> action on the
> U.S.'s part will change the murderous conspiracy of terror
> groups, angling
> for power in Islamic countries.

All I can say is that the attack last week did not happen because they don't
like MTV. It happened (in part) because of some of our past foreign policy
actions, the injustice and inhumanity of which has been pointed out by
people in our own society like Chomsky for years. When was the last time you
saw Chomsky on Larry King Live or any other "talking heads" program for that
matter? He's obviously not a kook, so there must be other reasons, like
people in this country don't want to look at certain things about our
government's actions. If we continue to ignore these issues (which is what
CNN and the rest of the media seems committed to), then we can kill and/or
capture as many terrorists as we want, and like the hydra, it will only
result in more, and more virulent, heads springing up.

> Obviously both, and unfortunately. This policy should constantly be
> re-thought, but not any more so now because of the stepped-up actions of
> suicide terrorists.

Yes but was/is it being rethought? Were people upset here in the US because
of what our actions in Iraq were doing to the populace? Not many, and most
are not even aware of it. What the Holy Media does not show, does not exist
as far as most Americans are concerned.

> Injustice in Muslim countries is rife, don't you think? It seems
> to be in
> its own tracks, quite independent of U.S. involvement. IMO

Yes, and not only in Muslim countries. Besides "cleaning out their swamp" we
need to straighten out our own "garden" too. All I am saying is that this
needs to be said, but is not being said, in our media and by our government.

Dante
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