humans as microbes

i just came across this:

>> "We recognize, however dimly, that greater
>> efficiency, ease, and security may come at a
>> substantial price in freedom, that law and order
>> can be a doublethink version of oppression, that
>> individual liberties surrendered for whatever
>> good reason are freedom lost."
>>
>> - Walter Cronkite, in the preface to the 1984 edition of 1984

and it got me thinking: in order to facilitate our
incorporation as elements of the larger organism
into which we are currently evolving, we'll all
be forced to give up certain freedoms or die.

-monz

----- Original Message -----
From: "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@...>
To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [metatuning] humans as microbes

> on 10/18/02 11:54 AM, monz wrote:
>
> > o facilitate our
> > incorporation as elements of the larger organism
> > into which we are currently evolving, we'll all
> > be forced to give up certain freedoms or die
>
> So... do you think it's worth it?

that's the "$64,000 question". but whether we
like it or not, the way i see it, at this point
in history there's a new, larger organism evolving
which will incorporate most of us humans as its
"cells".

ultimately, most of us will acquiesce for both
our own good and the good of the larger entity,
in a useful symbiosis, much as the way amoeba-like
single-cell animals became mitochondria in the
bodies of mammals millions of years ago.

those who actively resist the process will be
perceived by the larger organism as a threat and
will be killed by its defense mechanisms, and those
who simply are left out of the process (perhaps
those living in "developing countries", for example)
will become irrelevant to the goings-on of the
larger organism, much as the life of most amoebas
doesn't matter all that much to us today.

from our perspective, evolution is generally an
extremely slow process, and this particular evolution
has already been underway for the last 5,000 years
(since the Sumerians got it started by inventing
"civilization"). but the rate of change has increased
dramatically in recent history, firstly over the last
few centuries, and then even much more so over the
last couple of decades.

i personally still haven't made a decision as to whether
it's worth it to fight, join, or bypass, and i suppose
different aspects of my own life can probably be viewed
as active participation in all three responses. and
i'd also guess that this is the case for a lot of others.
but the important point for me is to recognize that it's
happening, and thus to engage in the process in some way.

-monz

> From: "monz" <monz@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] humans as microbes
>
>
> ultimately, most of us will acquiesce for both
> our own good and the good of the larger entity,
> in a useful symbiosis, much as the way amoeba-like
> single-cell animals became mitochondria in the
> bodies of mammals millions of years ago.

um ... i leaped over a few evolutionary steps here.
amoebae become mitochondria in multi-celled organisms
a long time ago, way before mammals ever entered
the picture. we're talking about things like very
simple tubeworms, etc., certainly nothing with sets
of internal "systems" like us "more advanced" life-forms.

but that's my point anyway ... this was such a
successful symbiosis from the standpoint of the
larger evolutionary picture that it survived and
continues today -- which is what to me looks like
will be our future.

... just didn't want to leave this unmentioned, lest
i receive a barrage of corrections from those who know
their biology.

-monz

Hello Joe!
No species continues to grow relentlessly.
We also have to remember that at a certain stage the only thing that
grows in an organism is cancers.
to suggest that all the other cells join them i think would be a mistake.

Free trade economics are not sustainable to our species
These organization which are not vehicles for progress but
the last remants of capitalist imperialism, now referred to as
"globalization". This is nothing new but very very old
This is regression into a state where environmental suicide is the
supressed/ignored final outcome.
Survival of the fitest does not work as the most "fit " are the ones in
least abundance. In the plant world those species that maximize their
interelationships with other species, plant and animal, florish and survive
the longest.

monz wrote:

> > From: "monz" <monz@...>
> > To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [metatuning] humans as microbes
> >
> >
> > ultimately, most of us will acquiesce for both
> > our own good and the good of the larger entity,
> > in a useful symbiosis, much as the way amoeba-like
> > single-cell animals became mitochondria in the
> > bodies of mammals millions of years ago.
>
> um ... i leaped over a few evolutionary steps here.
> amoebae become mitochondria in multi-celled organisms
> a long time ago, way before mammals ever entered
> the picture. we're talking about things like very
> simple tubeworms, etc., certainly nothing with sets
> of internal "systems" like us "more advanced" life-forms.
>
> but that's my point anyway ... this was such a
> successful symbiosis from the standpoint of the
> larger evolutionary picture that it survived and
> continues today -- which is what to me looks like
> will be our future.
>
> ... just didn't want to leave this unmentioned, lest
> i receive a barrage of corrections from those who know
> their biology.
>
> -monz
>
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hi Kraig,

> From: "Kraig Grady" <kraiggrady@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] humans as microbes
>
> No species continues to grow relentlessly.
> We also have to remember that at a certain stage
> the only thing that grows in an organism is cancers.
> to suggest that all the other cells join them i think
> would be a mistake.
>
> <snip>
>
> In the plant world those species that maximize their
> interelationships with other species, plant and animal,
> florish and survive the longest.

that's pretty much the point i was making: for most
people to survive, they're going to have to evolve
into "helper cells" of the larger organism. if they
resist, the mechanics of the evolotion of the larger
organism will see them as a threat to its own existence
(a cancer, if you will) and will try to kill them.

-monz