the world of Star Trek inches closer everyday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1814000/1814724.stm

and

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991888

Dante!
Isn't the relationship between atoms at a distance- Bell's theorem (as
in John) . Showing the interconnectedness in faster than light
connections-yet they don't even mention his name. shame shame shame! these
are all his experiments or clausen's i believe- all the way back in the 70's
-80's.

Dante Rosati wrote:

> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991888

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Bell's theorem proves that the kind of locality that Einstein favored (EPR)
just aint so. Soon after, it was experimentally verified. the Newscientist
article is about how it may be possible to exploit quantum entanglement on
larger scales. Usually, the transporters on Star Trek are mentioned as the
least likely technology to ever become feasible. Although still nowhere near
it, it at least appears that such may be possible someday after all.

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
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> Dante!
> Isn't the relationship between atoms at a distance- Bell's theorem (as
> in John) . Showing the interconnectedness in faster than light
> connections-yet they don't even mention his name. shame shame shame! these
> are all his experiments or clausen's i believe- all the way back
> in the 70's
> -80's.
>
> Dante Rosati wrote:
>
> > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991888
>
> -- Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
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Dante!
Well i seem to missed that argument really being in there. I don't see how
entanglement say we can move one thing to somewhere else, we might be able to
duplicate it mirror image though but this is different than the original thing.
Of course we might already be duplicated or mirrored or reversed but we can
only find this out with speed of light communication. The trick with bell's
theorem is that "information" or measurement of both still cannot be
communicated faster than the speed of light because you can only compare the
two at that speed.

Dante Rosati wrote:

> Bell's theorem proves that the kind of locality that Einstein favored (EPR)
> just aint so. Soon after, it was experimentally verified. the Newscientist
> article is about how it may be possible to exploit quantum entanglement on
> larger scales. Usually, the transporters on Star Trek are mentioned as the
> least likely technology to ever become feasible. Although still nowhere near
> it, it at least appears that such may be possible someday after all.
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In metatuning@y..., "Dante Rosati" <dante.interport@r...> wrote:

Usually, the transporters on Star Trek are mentioned as the
> least likely technology to ever become feasible. Although still nowhere near
> it, it at least appears that such may be possible someday after all.

The neat thing is that if it did work, it would work in the same way as on Star Trek--you couldn't use it to make a duplicate, you could only use it for transportation.

>>Usually, the transporters on Star Trek are mentioned as the
>>least likely technology to ever become feasible. Although still
>>nowhere near it, it at least appears that such may be possible
>>someday after all.
>
>The neat thing is that if it did work, it would work in the same
>way as on Star Trek--you couldn't use it to make a duplicate, you
>could only use it for transportation.

In modern flavors of the Star Trek universe, the holodeck and
replicators use 'transporter technology' to fabricate matter
from scratch.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

> Dante!
> Isn't the relationship between atoms at a distance- Bell's
theorem (as
> in John) .

hi kraig. bell's theorem is my favorite topic besides tuning. this
relationship between particles at a distance is known as the einstein-
podolsky-rosen paradox. many manifestations of it were known before
bell came along. bell's major contribution was to prove that the
phenomenon could not be accounted for in any way consistent with
einstein's reality principle -- in other words, we are irrevocably
stuck with this feature of quantum mechanics that einstein could not
swallow. it's too bad einstein had died a few years before bell
published his result.

> Showing the interconnectedness in faster than light
> connections-yet they don't even mention his name. shame shame
>shame! these
> are all his experiments or clausen's i believe- all the way back in
>the 70's
> -80's.

kraig, the seminal experiments on bell's theorem were performed by
alain aspect, but this is a very different issue. again, the
interconnectedness was known in both theory and practice before bell.
what bell and aspect worked on was a more philosophical facet of the
problem, rather unrelated to what the article dante brought up was
dealing with. i'd be happy to go further into this . . .