Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup metatuning what was that about vestigal irrelevancies?

--- In metatuning@y..., "Dante Rosati" <dante.interport@r...> wrote:
> actually this is worse than irrelevant, its downright evil:
>
> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002063681,00.html

Not to defend everything the Vatican says, but... I think what they
are referring to is Original Sin, not the specific sins of
individuals. I don't think they are saying "It's your own fault if
you get sick because God is punishing you for some bad thing you
did", but rather "You get sick because that is part of the general
inescapable evil that plagues mankind." This is hardly a new idea,
nor one unique to Christianity or Catholicism.

But I could be reading it wrong...

🔗Dante Rosati <dante.interport@...>

It is true there are several opinions expressed in the article, some
contradictory, but consider these:

"Archbishop Paul Cordes, the German head of the Vatican's agency for
humanitarian aid, maintained that there was scriptural authority for the
idea that >those who contract illnesses do so because they have sinned<."

This cannot be interepreted as sickness resulting from Adam's "original
sin". The bit I put carets around is pretty straightforward.

"Monsignor Cordes, elaborating on the Pope's remarks, went further and said
that the root of much modern illness lay in sinful or immoral behaviour."

Again, this is not talking about original sin. Admittedly, it could be
interpreted as simply saying something like "if you drink and do drugs you
may ruin your health", but the whole "sin" aspect brings in a harsh moral
judgementalism that only survives these days in pea-brained religious
fundamentalists.

"He quoted the Gospel of St John, which describes Jesus curing a crippled
man he found lying on a pallet by the pool of Bethesda in Jerusalem. Jesus
told the man, who had been crippled for 38 years: "Take up your bed and
walk". Finding him later in the temple, Jesus ordered the cured man to "go
and sin no more, or something worse may happen to you"."

This parable clearly implys that future misbehavin' may bring down the wrath
of god on the poor newly-cured wretch. Again, not original sin.

And we say the Taliban are stuck in the middle ages!

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kpeck77 [mailto:kris.peck@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:48 PM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: what was that about vestigal irrelevancies?
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> --- In metatuning@y..., "Dante Rosati" <dante.interport@r...> wrote:
> > actually this is worse than irrelevant, its downright evil:
> >
> > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002063681,00.html
>
> Not to defend everything the Vatican says, but... I think what they
> are referring to is Original Sin, not the specific sins of
> individuals. I don't think they are saying "It's your own fault if
> you get sick because God is punishing you for some bad thing you
> did", but rather "You get sick because that is part of the general
> inescapable evil that plagues mankind." This is hardly a new idea,
> nor one unique to Christianity or Catholicism.
>
> But I could be reading it wrong...
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> >From: "Dante Rosati" <dante.interport@...>
> >To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [metatuning] Re: what was that about vestigal
> irrelevancies?
> >Date: Thu, Feb 7, 2002, 2:19 PM
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> > pea-brained religious
> > fundamentalists
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> Thank you very much mother may I please have another?
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🔗peteysan@...

I wish they could be dignified by the term 'fundamentalist'.

What's fundamental about TOTAL irrelevancy?

I kind of feel sorry for the poor old guys, trapped in a line of thinking
that has no actual conclusion, so they have to make one up ad hoc. Or, more
likely, refusing to admit the truth the thought leads to, so substitute
something, QUICK! Ouch...

Tough gig, man! [My uncle's a Monsignor (sp?)...monseigneur???]

Monsieur Pete

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what was that about vestigal irrelevancies?

🔗Dante Rosati <dante.interport@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗kpeck77 <kris.peck@...>

🔗Dante Rosati <dante.interport@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Dante Rosati <dante.interport@...>

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