Upcoming computerization of humans

Monz...you mentioned in your post that a person could accept the
mechanization of humans, and become a "cog in the machine," or become a
"renegade." Personally, I don't think that following the path the
Creator intended (which certainly does not involve turning over one's
consciousness to a machine like path of life), makes one a renegade...it
makes one a fully spiritual human being, which is what life, ultimately,
is all about. If the current developments involving microchipping, and
turning over one's consciousness to a Big Brother type of system don't
bother you, I would only wonder why not. I think that's some really sick
and scary shit, and I not see it as any sort of natural human evolution.
Un-natural evolution, yes...but, that's not a direction humans should
have gone...it feels dark, cold, and ultimately, totally inhuman. And,
XJ, I fully agree about Sagan being a dolt...he spent a lot of time
trying to convince folks that the Creator was a myth, and that science
was the ultimate truth...I don't consider him a very significant feller
in any way...Hstick

> From: Neil Haverstick <STICK@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:58 AM
> Subject: [metatuning] Upcoming computerization of humans
>
>
> Monz...you mentioned in your post that a person could accept the
> mechanization of humans, and become a "cog in the machine," or become a
> "renegade." Personally, I don't think that following the path the
> Creator intended (which certainly does not involve turning over one's
> consciousness to a machine like path of life), makes one a renegade...it
> makes one a fully spiritual human being, which is what life, ultimately,
> is all about. If the current developments involving microchipping, and
> turning over one's consciousness to a Big Brother type of system don't
> bother you, I would only wonder why not. I think that's some really sick
> and scary shit, and I not see it as any sort of natural human evolution.
> Un-natural evolution, yes...but, that's not a direction humans should
> have gone...it feels dark, cold, and ultimately, totally inhuman.

Neil, don't get me wrong ... basically, I agree with you. I was
really just playing "devil's advocate" in order to offer an alternative
to the more common viewpoint, which is the one you expressed.

As I said, from the perspective of an individual human life, sure,
becomoing a "cog in the machine" is dehumanizing, degrading, etc.

But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, what we're
going thru now as a species, and the apparent threshold that we
seem to have reached (re: individuality vs. symbiosis), seems to
indicate that the biological metaphor in which I wrote might be
an appropriate new perspective.

Beyond that, I leave it for those with expertise in this field
to comment ... John Chalmers, perhaps? (John probably has the
real dope on the "how many of each species" thread too.)

> And, XJ, I fully agree about Sagan being a dolt...he spent a lot of time
> trying to convince folks that the Creator was a myth, and that science
> was the ultimate truth...I don't consider him a very significant feller
> in any way...Hstick

Regardless of his position as a scientist, journalist, significant
feller, dolt, or whatever, IMO Sagan deserves credit for being a
great popularizer of scientific knowledge which is oridinarily
difficult for many people to understand. I think his retelling
of "Genesis" is brilliant, and if you don't agree, well ...
don't bother arguing with me -- let's just agree to disagree.

-monz

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In a message dated 1/8/02 2:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, joemonz@...
writes:

> > And, XJ, I fully agree about Sagan being a dolt...he spent a lot of time
> > trying to convince folks that the Creator was a myth, and that science
> > was the ultimate truth...I don't consider him a very significant feller
> > in any way...Hstick
>
>
>

With all due respect, Christians spend "a lot of time trying to convince
folks that the Creator" is my only salvation...and I hear this regularly from
evangelicals. Why bag Sagan for doing the same? Johnny Reinhard

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