human registration and enumeration intrinsically evil

> OK -- now why does a universal ID system bring up Satanism in
> your mind? Simply because it's evil?

There are many systems of belief, some extremely
ancient, in which this sort of thing is considered
evil.

Of course any universal ID system requires the
enumeration of all in the system and this practice in
particular is forbidden by many faiths, such as many
Native American churches.

One example was covered in 476 US 693 (90 L Ed 2d 735,
106 S Ct 2147) Bowen vs Roy. At 696, we find it
explained:

"Roy is a Native American descended from the Abenaki
Tribe, and he asserts a religious belief that control
over one¹s life is essential to spiritual purity and
indispensable to ³becoming a holy person.² Based on
recent conversations with an Abenaki chief, Roy
believes that technology is ³robbing the spirit of
man.² In order to prepare his daughter for greater
spiritual power, therefore, Roy testified to his belief
that he must keep her person and spirit unique and that
the uniqueness of the Social Security number as an
identifier, coupled with the other uses of the number
over which she has no control, will serve to ³rob the
spirit² of his daughter and prevent her from attaining
greater spiritual power."

Getting away from belief and looking at actual
practice, we see that registering and validating people
by a government leads to facism, totalitarianism and
other such systems and never to freedom or human
dignity. People are reduced to numbers, dehumanived,
reduced to products of the state and then manipulated
controlled and when it serves the needs of the state,
eliminated. The Soviet Union. Nazi Germany. The Roman
Empire. Ancient Greece. Etc.

- Jeff

--- In metatuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
>
> > OK -- now why does a universal ID system bring up Satanism in
> > your mind? Simply because it's evil?
>
> There are many systems of belief, some extremely
> ancient, in which this sort of thing is considered
> evil.

I agree that it's evil. But Satanic?

>> > OK -- now why does a universal ID system bring up Satanism
> in
>> > your mind? Simply because it's evil?
>>
>> There are many systems of belief, some extremely
>> ancient, in which this sort of thing is considered
>> evil.
>
[Paul:]

> I agree that it's evil. But Satanic?

Well the first time in history that a large scale
project was attempted be the government to number all
the citizens was also the first time in the historical
record that Satan is described by name as the
instigator of a great evil.

- Jeff

--- In metatuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> >> > OK -- now why does a universal ID system bring up Satanism
> > in
> >> > your mind? Simply because it's evil?
> >>
> >> There are many systems of belief, some extremely
> >> ancient, in which this sort of thing is considered
> >> evil.
> >
> [Paul:]
>
> > I agree that it's evil. But Satanic?
>
> Well the first time in history that a large scale
> project was attempted be the government to number all
> the citizens was also the first time in the historical
> record that Satan is described by name as the
> instigator of a great evil.
>
> - Jeff

That's pretty remarkable, and was honestly not something I knew. What
point in history was this?

--- In metatuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> People are reduced to numbers, dehumanived,
> reduced to products of the state and then manipulated
> controlled and when it serves the needs of the state,
> eliminated. The Soviet Union. Nazi Germany. The Roman
> Empire. Ancient Greece. Etc.

The first two, OK. Please explain how people were registered
or "reduced to numbers" in the Roman Empire and (especially) Ancient
Greece. This is new to me; I don't deny the many ills of the Romans,
but I don't see quite the connection with a universal ID or similar
discussions.

Jon

--- In metatuning@y..., "paulerlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> >
> > > OK -- now why does a universal ID system bring up Satanism in
> > > your mind? Simply because it's evil?
> >
> > There are many systems of belief, some extremely
> > ancient, in which this sort of thing is considered
> > evil.
>
> I agree that it's evil. But Satanic?

The mark of the beast is the mark of Satan, and many Christians equate
universal ID with the mark of the beast.

John Starrett