http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax/view/index62.html?show=all

-- from letters to salon. com. many good links available in other letters.

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Thelastnamechosen, Little Brother, chowderSF, fauxreal,
bystander, Reilly

Please excuse the group response but it seems that a lot of
valuable comments get lost in long threads and it�s sometimes
difficult to see the forest for the trees.

First, thank you to *Bystander* for the link to Marcy Wheeler�s
post. The comments were especially helpful in providing additional
links and, for the most part, the professionals commenting there
shared my concerns.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/ivins-and-the-anthrax-investigation/#comments

*Thelastnamechosen*: You�re right. Duley reports that the
threatening statements were made at her last group contact with
him and led her to hospitalize Dr. Ivins. Although, she might not
have been able to predict this behavior, there was no excuse for
allowing him to continue (unless she wanted witnesses for the
bizarre claims). Moreover, the history she gives of the patient
should have suggested he would be risky in a group (unless this
history was obtained from the FBI after the fact and used to
buttress her request for peace order). Still no information on how
he got to her although she worked at an agency that was
advertising that they were using Suboxone to treat prescription
drug dependency.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=76902
(Given that death was allegedly due to Tylenol #3 OD, and one
local article noted that he walked in his neighborhood for relief
of back pain, he may have contacted the agency for drug concerns
-- but this is pure speculation on my part. Re: his reasons for
being angry with her: I suggest you listen to the audio of the
hearing to obtain the PO (that I hadn�t heard before).
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/audio/national/20080802scientist.mp3
He was clearly very angry with her and called her from the
hospital to tell her he blamed her for getting him in the fix he
was in and allowing the FBI to prosecute him for murders. That�s
not a threat and may well have some basis in fact. I didn�t hear a
direct threat against her and found no evidence that he was
�stalking� her (as has been claimed at times). She did report a
number of outrageous claims by Ivins for which we have no evidence
and may have been delusional or designed to frighten her.
Unfortunately (but predictably) reports about these rants have
become grist for the cable TV mill. We still don�t know what drugs
Ivins was on (if any) and a number of folks at emptywheel were as
outraged as I was that the powers that be had decided there was no
need for a complete autopsy.

chowderSF: There appears to have been no respect for
confidentiality, other patient rights, or HIPPA regulations. If
Duley wasn�t working for the FBI, she was certainly cooperating
with them and acknowledged this during the PO hearing.

Fauxreal: It sounds as though Duley wasn�t a very astute clinician
and her training is open to question. Tried to check the Maryland
site to see if she was a licensed clinical social worker in that
state. /The site was down for unknown reasons./ A comment on
emptywheel�s site (wavpeac #92) suggested Duley had only a
bachelors degree and chemical dependency training. Neither would
give her sophistication in diagnosis or the ability to deal with
serious pathology if she encountered it.

The possibility of psyops is one that deserves consideration. LS
#134 at emptywheel links to a relevant (and chilling) site.
http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Articulations/Script-CodeNameArtichoke.html
In the 50�s, Dr. Frank Olsen, an expert on anthrax who had worked
at Ft Detrick and later joined the CIA, died after leaping (or
being pushed) from a hotel window. His son spent many years trying
to understand what had happened to his father. You�ll find a
script of the documentary made about Dr. Olsen as well as other
interesting information at the site. Parallels to current
concerns, including those about torture are abundant. Cheney and
Rumsfeld were in the Ford White House at the time.

Reilly: Right! Without documentation, we have no idea where the
diagnoses mentioned by Ms, Duley came from, how valid they are,
who made them or under what conditions they were made. Highly
unlikely that someone could get security clearance if there was
substantial psychiatric history. It is also highly unlikely that
Dr. Ivins, if he was truly a homicidal sociopath, could have
functioned socially and vocationally for so many years and then
suddenly snapped. Reports from neighbors, friends, church
congregants, and co-workers paint a picture of a kind, generous
man, somewhat the proverbial �geeky� scientist, who was deeply
engaged with his family and community and committed to his work.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.ivins02aug02,0,3287194.story?page=1
Those who knew him attested to the toll taken by constant scrutiny
and �hounding,� Neighbors were well aware of surveillance because
of the frequent presence of vehicles with dark-tinted windows
parked in their neighborhood over the past year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7696512

In sum, neither the FBI nor any other government agency has
provided convincing evidence that Ivins was responsible for the
anthrax attacks. Co-workers suggest that given his available
resources it would have been difficult for Ivins to carry out the
attacks.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.ivins02aug02,0,3287194.story?page=1
Whatever Duley�s explicit role or intentions in this case, it is
clear that she has been a valuable PR tool for those who would
like to write Ivins off as a mad scientist capable of carrying out
the anthrax attacks. The shaping of public perception is likely to
be aided by wide distribution of the audio recording of Duley�s
request for a peace order that includes unsubstantiated diagnoses,
questionable history, and reports of bizarre intentions. Indeed,
news-hungry cable channels are already parroting her negative
claims without questioning either the claims or her credibility.
Let us hope that Congress will be less gullible.

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