from washington post! suicide by Tylenol!

Ivins died of an overdose of Tylenol that he had ingested over the weekend, the sources added. The death was ruled a suicide.

Come now. how many would you have to take!!!!
and that is what one would pick!!!!!!
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> Ivins died of an overdose of Tylenol that he had ingested over the
> weekend, the sources added. The death was ruled a suicide.
>
> Come now. how many would you have to take!!!!
> and that is what one would pick!!!!!!

Not that many, surprisingly. Tylenol is pretty toxic stuff.

-Carl

Kraig Grady wrote:
> Ivins died of an overdose of Tylenol that he had ingested over the > weekend, the sources added. The death was ruled a suicide.
>
> Come now. how many would you have to take!!!!
> and that is what one would pick!!!!!!
> I thought it was Tylenol with codeine and the codeine killed him.

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tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you try to do so with tylenol?
the chances of you surviving is way to high!

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Carl Lumma wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> Ivins died of an overdose of Tylenol that he had ingested over the >> weekend, the sources added. The death was ruled a suicide.
>>
>> Come now. how many would you have to take!!!!
>> and that is what one would pick!!!!!!
>> >
> Not that many, surprisingly. Tylenol is pretty toxic stuff.
>
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@...> wrote:
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> Kraig Grady wrote:
> > Ivins died of an overdose of Tylenol that he had ingested over the
> > weekend, the sources added. The death was ruled a suicide.
> >
> > Come now. how many would you have to take!!!!
> > and that is what one would pick!!!!!!
>
> I thought it was Tylenol with codeine and the codeine killed him.

The Tylenol would probably kill you before the codeine.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
> try to do so with tylenol?
> the chances of you surviving is way to high!

Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
don't always think rationally or take great pains to
plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
with fatal results.

-Carl

we are talking about a chemist.
BTW there has and will not be an autopsy, now isn't that cozy.

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> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
>> try to do so with tylenol?
>> the chances of you surviving is way to high!
>> >
> Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
> don't always think rationally or take great pains to
> plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
> Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
> a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
> with fatal results.
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> -Carl
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Kraig Grady wrote:
> we are talking about a chemist.

Now that seems a bit strange...why didn't he just kill himself with anthrax?

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How would he get enough Tylenol with codeine. being a prescription they do not give you that many at a time?
It is not a psychiatric drug, so what , he had a permanent tooth ache?

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> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
>> try to do so with tylenol?
>> the chances of you surviving is way to high!
>> >
> Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
> don't always think rationally or take great pains to
> plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
> Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
> a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
> with fatal results.
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Maybe he is still on his antidote:)
or something that you know is going to work for sure.

I know of a person who took 40 barbiturates and survived, anyone dealing in this disgusting business is going to know how to kill one self.

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David Beardsley wrote:
> Kraig Grady wrote:
> >> we are talking about a chemist.
>> >
>
> Now that seems a bit strange...why didn't he just kill himself with anthrax?
>
>
>

He probably bought it from a friend or something. It's not that hard
to come by, honestly.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> How would he get enough Tylenol with codeine. being a prescription they
> do not give you that many at a time?
> It is not a psychiatric drug, so what , he had a permanent tooth ache?
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>> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>>
>>> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
>>> try to do so with tylenol?
>>> the chances of you surviving is way to high!
>>>
>>
>> Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
>> don't always think rationally or take great pains to
>> plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
>> Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
>> a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
>> with fatal results.
>>
>> -Carl
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and why would his friend have more than him?

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Mike Battaglia wrote:
> He probably bought it from a friend or something. It's not that hard
> to come by, honestly.
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> How would he get enough Tylenol with codeine. being a prescription they
>> do not give you that many at a time?
>> It is not a psychiatric drug, so what , he had a permanent tooth ache?
>>
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>> Carl Lumma wrote:
>> >>> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
>>>> try to do so with tylenol?
>>>> the chances of you surviving is way to high!
>>>>
>>>> >>> Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
>>> don't always think rationally or take great pains to
>>> plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
>>> Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
>>> a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
>>> with fatal results.
>>>
>>> -Carl
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The hell if I know. On my campus you can get painkillers pretty easily
though. A lot of kids take xanax as well.

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> Mike Battaglia wrote:
>> He probably bought it from a friend or something. It's not that hard
>> to come by, honestly.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How would he get enough Tylenol with codeine. being a prescription they
>>> do not give you that many at a time?
>>> It is not a psychiatric drug, so what , he had a permanent tooth ache?
>>>
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>>> Carl Lumma wrote:
>>>
>>>> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
>>>>> try to do so with tylenol?
>>>>> the chances of you surviving is way to high!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
>>>> don't always think rationally or take great pains to
>>>> plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
>>>> Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
>>>> a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
>>>> with fatal results.
>>>>
>>>> -Carl
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I almost such things are easier. anyway it would be easy to "dose ' one of these tablets and end the guys misery. Or maybe he OD on something else.
You think they would have wanted him alive. I know how he smuggled it out etc. The possibility someone got the stuff he was working on out is still wide open.
Like the Oklahoma bombing, we all know at least a dozen people loaded up the truck as the motel manager testified. Somehow that hasn't progressed very far either.
seems the far right always has 'insider' pull of some kind.

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Mike Battaglia wrote:
> The hell if I know. On my campus you can get painkillers pretty easily
> though. A lot of kids take xanax as well.
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> and why would his friend have more than him?
>>
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>> Mike Battaglia wrote:
>> >>> He probably bought it from a friend or something. It's not that hard
>>> to come by, honestly.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> How would he get enough Tylenol with codeine. being a prescription they
>>>> do not give you that many at a time?
>>>> It is not a psychiatric drug, so what , he had a permanent tooth ache?
>>>>
>>>> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
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>>>> Carl Lumma wrote:
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>>>> >>>>> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> tell carl - if you were going to kill your self would you
>>>>>> try to do so with tylenol?
>>>>>> the chances of you surviving is way to high!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Believe it or not, people who try to kill themselves
>>>>> don't always think rationally or take great pains to
>>>>> plan it out in advance. Desperate acts are just that.
>>>>> Our nation's ERs routinely see people who have swallowed
>>>>> a bottle of OTC pills for whatever reason... sometimes
>>>>> with fatal results.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Carl
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
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> How would he get enough Tylenol with codeine. being a
> prescription they do not give you that many at a time?

Are you kidding? They give that stuff out like candy.
My friend at work just had a whole bottle with a refill
for a tooth ache, where he was scheduled to have the
tooth extracted 3 days later. Plus, there's a large
black market for it (mostly started by pharmacists on
the take I think).

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> and why would his friend have more than him?

There's only one explanation! It *must* be a government
conspiracy!

-Carl

never said must!
which is as bad as must not!
To get enough to commit suicide seems hard but maybe working in germ warfare they have jars of this stuff sitting around.
Seems like it would be the same group our secret service would use to taint other things.
So who knows what crap they have laying around.
can't imagine going around getting this stuff unnoticed if the fbi was watching him.

too many people had access to his amthrax. if i was going to do such a thing i would have stolen from one of my co-workers.
Regardless, it seems someone there did it.
the number of dead scientists involved in such things is exceptionally high.

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> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> and why would his friend have more than him?
>> >
> There's only one explanation! It *must* be a government
> conspiracy!
>
> -Carl
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
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> never said must!
> which is as bad as must not!

I agree it's fishy. Ditto the Wellstone plane crash. I actually
suspect that was foul play. The Oswald/Ruby deaths are fishy
too, though the JFK thing was too far before my time for me to
worry about.

-Carl

I will admit that it was the JFK thing which hit me at 11 as undermining any sense of trust in 'official' stories.
I was watching live with Oswald was shot which was just days after Kennedy going down.
being in LA, the RFK thing was even more troubling with even more blatant fabrications.
Even ABC news , still a local entity exposed countless problems with this one.

There are powers that basically appear to be able to do what ever they want whenever they want to.
i hope to stay out of their way, being the composer peon i am.
why i bother following any of it i don't know and admit it being contradictory as to how i think things are done.

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> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> never said must!
>> which is as bad as must not!
>> >
> I agree it's fishy. Ditto the Wellstone plane crash. I actually
> suspect that was foul play. The Oswald/Ruby deaths are fishy
> too, though the JFK thing was too far before my time for me to
> worry about.
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@...> wrote:
>
> Kraig Grady wrote:
> > we are talking about a chemist.
>
>
> Now that seems a bit strange...why didn't he just kill himself with
> anthrax?

I don't believe a bloody thing coming out of the FBI, CIA, or the Bush
administration. These are the people, after all, who told us 19 arabs
(which they never present hard proof for) crashed hijacked and flew 4
planes unimpeded for nearly 2 hours with complete accuracy after
having no experience actually flying a huge Boeing commercial
jetliner; that the twin towers collapsed when we see they were
pulverized to dust by explosives from the top down, and that WTC7
completely gave way because of a small pocket fire.

And, yes, it makes no sense that they don't prove their case with an
autopsy, but even if they did one, why should we believe the result?
They would just use FBI doctors or something.