Albert Hoffman dies

at 102, not bad!
http://movie.moldova.org/stiri/eng/115816/
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Yeah! The AP/Yahoo article is slightly longer,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_re_eu/obit_hofmann;_ylt=AijEOdIFdqib8AKpwR8SCMRw24cA

but only slightly.

I saw a GREAT thing once in the wee hours on (I believe) Discovery Channel about the unfortunate criminalization of LSD. It primarily talked about more recent clinical therapeutic tests with ibogaine and ayahuasca, and gave considerable play to the doctors who were stunned by the success rates indicated in the stats they got using these things to treat alcoholism, depression, schizophrenia, etc. At the time there was one guy who had hopes of getting a clearance to resume research on LSD in controlled therapies, because he claimed the early stats on LSD therapies were similarly impressive.

I don't know if Hoffman ever spoke strongly about it, but that fellow in the documentary absolutely vilified Leary for killing the legit research that was underway. Of course they downplayed the US Military's role in demonizing the drug...another very interesting story!

In fact, I think (!! not sure...) some of the early "horror stories" mentioned in today's articles may have come from illicit and highly irresponsible military experiments, which have now just gotten kind of blendered in with all the other factoids, here on the internet (smile).

~P

Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
at 102, not bad!
http://movie.moldova.org/stiri/eng/115816/

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There was a whore house in San Francisco where the FBI were slipping it to johns without them knowing. Of course one would get bad results that way.
the military likewise interest in torture also did it without knowledge.
Leary had the highest rehabilitation of criminals of anyone IN HISTORY. 98%

once the hell's angels started making it though with too much stricnine, a bad trip was guaranteed.

like so many things , answers are not sought after, only answers that uphold previous methods in place.

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Pete McRae wrote:
> Yeah! The AP/Yahoo article is slightly longer,
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_re_eu/obit_hofmann;_ylt=AijEOdIFdqib8AKpwR8SCMRw24cA
> > but only slightly.
> > I saw a GREAT thing once in the wee hours on (I believe) Discovery Channel about the unfortunate criminalization of LSD. It primarily talked about more recent clinical therapeutic tests with ibogaine and ayahuasca, and gave considerable play to the doctors who were stunned by the success rates indicated in the stats they got using these things to treat alcoholism, depression, schizophrenia, etc. At the time there was one guy who had hopes of getting a clearance to resume research on LSD in controlled therapies, because he claimed the early stats on LSD therapies were similarly impressive.
> > I don't know if Hoffman ever spoke strongly about it, but that fellow in the documentary absolutely vilified Leary for killing the legit research that was underway. Of course they downplayed the US Military's role in demonizing the drug...another very interesting story!
> > In fact, I think (!! not sure...) some of the early "horror stories" mentioned in today's articles may have come from illicit and highly irresponsible military experiments, which have now just gotten kind of blendered in with all the other factoids, here on the internet (smile).
> > ~P >
> Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> at 102, not bad!
> http://movie.moldova.org/stiri/eng/115816/
>
>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> There was a whore house in San Francisco where the FBI were
> slipping it to johns without them knowing. Of course one would
> get bad results that way. the military likewise interest in
> torture also did it without knowledge.

The CIA used it in MKULTRA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkultra

I'm not aware of FBI or the military programs, but I wouldn't
be surprised.

>Leary had the highest rehabilitation of criminals of
>anyone IN HISTORY. 98%

I've never heard that statistic before, but I wouldn't
doubt it. Humphry Osmond had promising results in Canada,
and an excellent documentary I saw on Hoffman shows video
from one of Al Hubbard's treatment sessions, where
patients would be given a rose and let to lie on a
couch with headphones. Ah yes, bless YouTube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZmAYPzA6B84

(The Al Hubbard thing is in part 4, but the whole thing
is well worth watching.)

> once the hell's angels started making it though with too
> much stricnine, a bad trip was guaranteed.

It's a widespread myth that strychnine is, or has been,
a contaminant in acid. But it's not true! (One of the
first golden nuggets I ever got from the internet.
Thank you, internet!) Bad acid is just weak acid, unless
it's a capsule or pill in which case adulterants (though
almost certainly no strychine) could be implicated.
But mostly you have only set and setting to blame!

-Carl

There was one concert i went to where over three hundred people ended up in hospitals ( few of my friends also) and it being weak was not the problem, but maybe it wasn't strychnine but the angel's were no Ousley's

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Carl Lumma wrote:
>
>
> It's a widespread myth that strychnine is, or has been,
> a contaminant in acid. But it's not true! (One of the
> first golden nuggets I ever got from the internet.
> Thank you, internet!) Bad acid is just weak acid, unless
> it's a capsule or pill in which case adulterants (though
> almost certainly no strychine) could be implicated.
> But mostly you have only set and setting to blame!
>
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It wasn't strychnine (it's never been found in street samples,
isn't active in amounts that can be fit onto blotter paper,
isn't a byproduct of LSD manufacture... basically the only way
it could be there is if was a capsule and somebody had gone out
of their way to poison you... actually even a capsule would be
tough, as strychnine is a weak poison).

If it was blotter, it would have to be a pretty exotic poison
to cause trouble. LSD is one of the most potent drugs of any
kind, which is why it works on blotter.

It could be a mass hysteria. I've had 5 people all go South
simultaneously on trips before. Or, if it was caps, it could
have been a poison of some kind.

A good friend of mine is the guy who turned Owsley on, and
taught him to cook.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> There was one concert i went to where over three hundred people
> ended up in hospitals ( few of my friends also) and it being
> weak was not the problem, but maybe it wasn't strychnine but
> the angel's were no Ousley's
>
>
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> >
> >
> > It's a widespread myth that strychnine is, or has been,
> > a contaminant in acid. But it's not true! (One of the
> > first golden nuggets I ever got from the internet.
> > Thank you, internet!) Bad acid is just weak acid, unless
> > it's a capsule or pill in which case adulterants (though
> > almost certainly no strychine) could be implicated.
> > But mostly you have only set and setting to blame!
> >
> > -Carl
> >

I imagine there had to be something else in it . it was not mass hysteria.
good to know what it wasn't then.

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Carl Lumma wrote:
> It wasn't strychnine (it's never been found in street samples,
> isn't active in amounts that can be fit onto blotter paper,
> isn't a byproduct of LSD manufacture... basically the only way
> it could be there is if was a capsule and somebody had gone out
> of their way to poison you... actually even a capsule would be
> tough, as strychnine is a weak poison).
>
> If it was blotter, it would have to be a pretty exotic poison
> to cause trouble. LSD is one of the most potent drugs of any
> kind, which is why it works on blotter.
>
> It could be a mass hysteria. I've had 5 people all go South
> simultaneously on trips before. Or, if it was caps, it could
> have been a poison of some kind.
>
> A good friend of mine is the guy who turned Owsley on, and
> taught him to cook.
>
> -Carl
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> >> There was one concert i went to where over three hundred people
>> ended up in hospitals ( few of my friends also) and it being
>> weak was not the problem, but maybe it wasn't strychnine but
>> the angel's were no Ousley's
>>
>>
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>> Carl Lumma wrote:
>> >>> It's a widespread myth that strychnine is, or has been,
>>> a contaminant in acid. But it's not true! (One of the
>>> first golden nuggets I ever got from the internet.
>>> Thank you, internet!) Bad acid is just weak acid, unless
>>> it's a capsule or pill in which case adulterants (though
>>> almost certainly no strychine) could be implicated.
>>> But mostly you have only set and setting to blame!
>>>
>>> -Carl
>>>
>>> >
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I vaguely recall people back then taking all kinds of street crap, not least common of which was PCP in caps. No doubt someone at some point had the bright idea to put Angel Dust and acid together...in some kind of more or less cute capsule, and called it "mescaline", or some s***...???

Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote: I imagine there had to be something else in it . it was not mass hysteria.
good to know what it wasn't then.

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Carl Lumma wrote:
> It wasn't strychnine (it's never been found in street samples,
> isn't active in amounts that can be fit onto blotter paper,
> isn't a byproduct of LSD manufacture... basically the only way
> it could be there is if was a capsule and somebody had gone out
> of their way to poison you... actually even a capsule would be
> tough, as strychnine is a weak poison).
>
> If it was blotter, it would have to be a pretty exotic poison
> to cause trouble. LSD is one of the most potent drugs of any
> kind, which is why it works on blotter.
>
> It could be a mass hysteria. I've had 5 people all go South
> simultaneously on trips before. Or, if it was caps, it could
> have been a poison of some kind.
>
> A good friend of mine is the guy who turned Owsley on, and
> taught him to cook.
>
> -Carl
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
>> There was one concert i went to where over three hundred people
>> ended up in hospitals ( few of my friends also) and it being
>> weak was not the problem, but maybe it wasn't strychnine but
>> the angel's were no Ousley's
>>
>>
>> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
>> Mesotonal Music from:
>> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
>> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>>
>> Carl Lumma wrote:
>>
>>> It's a widespread myth that strychnine is, or has been,
>>> a contaminant in acid. But it's not true! (One of the
>>> first golden nuggets I ever got from the internet.
>>> Thank you, internet!) Bad acid is just weak acid, unless
>>> it's a capsule or pill in which case adulterants (though
>>> almost certainly no strychine) could be implicated.
>>> But mostly you have only set and setting to blame!
>>>
>>> -Carl
>>>
>>>
>
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
>
> I vaguely recall people back then taking all kinds of street crap,
> not least common of which was PCP in caps. No doubt someone at
> some point had the bright idea to put Angel Dust and acid
> together...

Quite possible. A combination even I was never crazy enough
to attempt.

By the way, this is an absolutely wonderful read on
Al Hubbard!!

http://www.rense.com/general28/dshwo.htm

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@> wrote:
> >
> > I vaguely recall people back then taking all kinds of street crap,
> > not least common of which was PCP in caps. No doubt someone at
> > some point had the bright idea to put Angel Dust and acid
> > together...
>
> Quite possible. A combination even I was never crazy enough
> to attempt.
>
> By the way, this is an absolutely wonderful read on
> Al Hubbard!!
>
> http://www.rense.com/general28/dshwo.htm
>
> -Carl

Holy shit, acid and dust? Jesus, I don't want to think about what
would have happened if I had -EVER- tried those two together.

-Mike

I think I got some kind of nasty stuff like that once! Like I said, they were calling it "mescalin", in about 1972. Heavily cut, but seemed like some hellish combination. Something to make the dust seem different...Maybe just PCP with a lot of inositol...

Come to think of it, I think Angel Dust figured in some of the more surreptitious parts of the campaign to get Reagan elected President...and then some crack and then some speed, and look where we're at now.

Hee!

battaglia01 <battaglia01@...> wrote:
--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@> wrote:
> >
> > I vaguely recall people back then taking all kinds of street crap,
> > not least common of which was PCP in caps. No doubt someone at
> > some point had the bright idea to put Angel Dust and acid
> > together...
>
> Quite possible. A combination even I was never crazy enough
> to attempt.
>
> By the way, this is an absolutely wonderful read on
> Al Hubbard!!
>
> http://www.rense.com/general28/dshwo.htm
>
> -Carl

Holy shit, acid and dust? Jesus, I don't want to think about what
would have happened if I had -EVER- tried those two together.

-Mike

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On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
> I think I got some kind of nasty stuff like that once! Like I said, they
> were calling it "mescalin", in about 1972. Heavily cut, but seemed like some
> hellish combination. Something to make the dust seem different...Maybe just
> PCP with a lot of inositol...
>
> Come to think of it, I think Angel Dust figured in some of the more
> surreptitious parts of the campaign to get Reagan elected President...and
> then some crack and then some speed, and look where we're at now.
>
> Hee!

They were calling it mescaline, but it wasn't actually mescaline, it
was PCP? What form did you get it in?

As I recall it was kind of a big capsule stuffed with some brownish/beige powder. Several of my friends took it, too. I'm guessing it was made to look 'dirty' so it would seem likely to have more 'organic' origins. And we could look it and wonder, "What is it? Dirt? Mushrooms? Heroin? Mesacaline? Oh. Mescalin." Hee! That was also a huge part of the "mystique". We were high school kids in a posh 'burb, man! Just tryin' stuff out, we thought. "Leary and Castaneda, dude, where's the harm?" Hmmm. I knew some other people at the time who later got into "MDMA", they called it. "X", I guess? Long before the trend. Nasty stuff, too! But it was the same "why not?" vibe, they enjoyed it. Now they advertise probably much worse things, relentlessly, on television. I guess as long as the SEC gets a nice slice of the action, it's A-OK.

I knew the effects of PCP from having tried it once, on some bad advice. Ingested, not smoked. I didn't know what Angel Dust was, until much later, when I inadvertently smoked it at a party. The minute THAT kicked in, I knew exactly the mistake I'd made. It's kind of funny, now, but only in a VERY perverse way. Luckily I wasn't made to regret it too badly, right then. Just had to weather it.

Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
> I think I got some kind of nasty stuff like that once! Like I said, they
> were calling it "mescalin", in about 1972. Heavily cut, but seemed like some
> hellish combination. Something to make the dust seem different...Maybe just
> PCP with a lot of inositol...
>
> Come to think of it, I think Angel Dust figured in some of the more
> surreptitious parts of the campaign to get Reagan elected President...and
> then some crack and then some speed, and look where we're at now.
>
> Hee!

They were calling it mescaline, but it wasn't actually mescaline, it
was PCP? What form did you get it in?

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yes i remember all types of these things .
funny all these poisons and i have still seen people get more ugly with alcohol than anything.
well the gang kids like glue which explains why they are such bad shots. at least at 14

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Pete McRae wrote:
> As I recall it was kind of a big capsule stuffed with some brownish/beige powder. Several of my friends took it, too. I'm guessing it was made to look 'dirty' so it would seem likely to have more 'organic' origins. And we could look it and wonder, "What is it? Dirt? Mushrooms? Heroin? Mesacaline? Oh. Mescalin." Hee! That was also a huge part of the "mystique". We were high school kids in a posh 'burb, man! Just tryin' stuff out, we thought. "Leary and Castaneda, dude, where's the harm?" Hmmm. I knew some other people at the time who later got into "MDMA", they called it. "X", I guess? Long before the trend. Nasty stuff, too! But it was the same "why not?" vibe, they enjoyed it. Now they advertise probably much worse things, relentlessly, on television. I guess as long as the SEC gets a nice slice of the action, it's A-OK.
> > I knew the effects of PCP from having tried it once, on some bad advice. Ingested, not smoked. I didn't know what Angel Dust was, until much later, when I inadvertently smoked it at a party. The minute THAT kicked in, I knew exactly the mistake I'd made. It's kind of funny, now, but only in a VERY perverse way. Luckily I wasn't made to regret it too badly, right then. Just had to weather it.
>
> Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
> >> I think I got some kind of nasty stuff like that once! Like I said, they
>> were calling it "mescalin", in about 1972. Heavily cut, but seemed like some
>> hellish combination. Something to make the dust seem different...Maybe just
>> PCP with a lot of inositol...
>>
>> Come to think of it, I think Angel Dust figured in some of the more
>> surreptitious parts of the campaign to get Reagan elected President...and
>> then some crack and then some speed, and look where we're at now.
>>
>> Hee!
>> >
> They were calling it mescaline, but it wasn't actually mescaline, it
> was PCP? What form did you get it in?
>
>
> >
>
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On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
> As I recall it was kind of a big capsule stuffed with some brownish/beige
> powder. Several of my friends took it, too. I'm guessing it was made to look
> 'dirty' so it would seem likely to have more 'organic' origins. And we could
> look it and wonder, "What is it? Dirt? Mushrooms? Heroin? Mesacaline? Oh.
> Mescalin." Hee! That was also a huge part of the "mystique". We were high
> school kids in a posh 'burb, man! Just tryin' stuff out, we thought. "Leary
> and Castaneda, dude, where's the harm?" Hmmm. I knew some other people at
> the time who later got into "MDMA", they called it. "X", I guess? Long
> before the trend. Nasty stuff, too! But it was the same "why not?" vibe,
> they enjoyed it. Now they advertise probably much worse things,
> relentlessly, on television. I guess as long as the SEC gets a nice slice of
> the action, it's A-OK.

Haha, yeah dude, MDMA is ecstasy. Nowadays they usually call it
"molly" which is short for "molecule", meaning it's "pure MDMA
molecule." That is one drug that I vow never to do, though I have a
lot of friends that do it quite a bit. And then 2 days later, when all
of their serotonin stores are completely depleted, they are depressed
beyond belief and practically zombies for the next few days. Being as
I crash from drinking -coffee-, I think I'll stay away from that.

Plus, I'm just curious, are you saying that it wasn't actually
mescaline that you were taking, but that they said it was mescaline?
Or that it was mescaline that you were taking? Because mescaline isn't
acid and PCP.

> I knew the effects of PCP from having tried it once, on some bad advice.
> Ingested, not smoked. I didn't know what Angel Dust was, until much later,
> when I inadvertently smoked it at a party. The minute THAT kicked in, I knew
> exactly the mistake I'd made. It's kind of funny, now, but only in a VERY
> perverse way. Luckily I wasn't made to regret it too badly, right then. Just
> had to weather it.

Damn dude. Back when I used to smoke weed, I smoked some that had coke
on it without knowing, and THAT sucked. I can't even imagine what PCP
is like.

Almost makes me wish I had tried it back in my drug-abusing heyday...
but not quite.

-Mike

Oh! Sorry...We wanted to believe it was mescaline, yes, but we had every reason to doubt.

Yeah, I'm saying it was inositol with a little acid and PCP, purveyed as "mescaline". And that's just a somewhat informed guess.

We were eager to try the enthoegenics, and some hustler got the tip, and came by with a bag of whatever he could cobble together. Or, something like that.

~P

Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
> As I recall it was kind of a big capsule stuffed with some brownish/beige
> powder. Several of my friends took it, too. I'm guessing it was made to look
> 'dirty' so it would seem likely to have more 'organic' origins. And we could
> look it and wonder, "What is it? Dirt? Mushrooms? Heroin? Mesacaline? Oh.
> Mescalin." Hee! That was also a huge part of the "mystique". We were high
> school kids in a posh 'burb, man! Just tryin' stuff out, we thought. "Leary
> and Castaneda, dude, where's the harm?" Hmmm. I knew some other people at
> the time who later got into "MDMA", they called it. "X", I guess? Long
> before the trend. Nasty stuff, too! But it was the same "why not?" vibe,
> they enjoyed it. Now they advertise probably much worse things,
> relentlessly, on television. I guess as long as the SEC gets a nice slice of
> the action, it's A-OK.

Haha, yeah dude, MDMA is ecstasy. Nowadays they usually call it
"molly" which is short for "molecule", meaning it's "pure MDMA
molecule." That is one drug that I vow never to do, though I have a
lot of friends that do it quite a bit. And then 2 days later, when all
of their serotonin stores are completely depleted, they are depressed
beyond belief and practically zombies for the next few days. Being as
I crash from drinking -coffee-, I think I'll stay away from that.

Plus, I'm just curious, are you saying that it wasn't actually
mescaline that you were taking, but that they said it was mescaline?
Or that it was mescaline that you were taking? Because mescaline isn't
acid and PCP.

> I knew the effects of PCP from having tried it once, on some bad advice.
> Ingested, not smoked. I didn't know what Angel Dust was, until much later,
> when I inadvertently smoked it at a party. The minute THAT kicked in, I knew
> exactly the mistake I'd made. It's kind of funny, now, but only in a VERY
> perverse way. Luckily I wasn't made to regret it too badly, right then. Just
> had to weather it.

Damn dude. Back when I used to smoke weed, I smoked some that had coke
on it without knowing, and THAT sucked. I can't even imagine what PCP
is like.

Almost makes me wish I had tried it back in my drug-abusing heyday...
but not quite.

-Mike

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Oops..."Entheogenics". The real stuff. Raw plants, basically.

We were misled and willing to believe, too, that mescaline and psilosybin had been perfectly synthesized, so that we could eat them without spines, dirt, bitter taste, or ceremonial guides, or any of those darned "inconveniences". Hee!

Kind of like perfect online music lessons. No stinky humans to screw it all up.

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> Haha, yeah dude, MDMA is ecstasy. Nowadays they usually call it
> "molly" which is short for "molecule", meaning it's "pure MDMA
> molecule." That is one drug that I vow never to do, though I have
> a lot of friends that do it quite a bit. And then 2 days later,
> when all of their serotonin stores are completely depleted, they
> are depressed beyond belief and practically zombies for the next
> few days.

Usually avoidable. It is possible to have wonderful post days!

> I knew the effects of PCP from having tried it once, on some
> bad advice.

PCP is worth trying but gets boring quickly.

> Damn dude. Back when I used to smoke weed, I smoked some that
> had coke on it without knowing, and THAT sucked.

Highly unlikely. Tales of "dusted" weed abound, but coke
is a very expensive gift to put for free on something someone
was going to buy anyway without telling them. Also, it would
have to be cocaine freebase, which is pretty rare. The
common powdered form (hydrochloride) doesn't smoke very
effectively.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Pete McRae <owlsgrease@...> wrote:
>
> Oops..."Entheogenics". The real stuff. Raw plants, basically.
>
> We were misled and willing to believe, too, that mescaline and
> psilosybin had been perfectly synthesized, so that we could eat
> them without spines, dirt, bitter taste, or ceremonial guides, or
> any of those darned "inconveniences". Hee!

They can be synthesized, or extracted and purified. Most of
them taste bitter, but you can put them in a capsule. Spines
are par for the course I'm afraid.

-Carl