h-bday JH!

Today, the 27th, is Jimi Hendrix's birthday.

* David Beardsley
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* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

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--- In metatuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <db@b...> wrote:
> Today, the 27th, is Jimi Hendrix's birthday.

Yowzah, another aging rocker. My lovely wife got me "Woodstock: The
Director's Cut" DVD for my birthday, and there is additional footage
that didn't make the film, including Hendrix doing "Voodoo Chile".

Amazing...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <db@b...> wrote:
> > Today, the 27th, is Jimi Hendrix's birthday.
>
> Yowzah, another aging rocker.

Unfortunately, he did not have the opportunity to grow old. Like Jim
Morrison, Janis Joplin, and Kurt Cobain, he died at the age of 27.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Erlich <paul@...>

> --- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> > --- In metatuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <db@b...> wrote:
> > > Today, the 27th, is Jimi Hendrix's birthday.
> >
> > Yowzah, another aging rocker.
>
> Unfortunately, he did not have the opportunity to grow old. Like Jim
> Morrison, Janis Joplin, and Kurt Cobain, he died at the age of 27.

response #1:

Wow dude! I'm so clueless I did'nt even know that!

reponse #2:

Honestly: he was so far more talented than those folks. None if
these people had any kind of inovation to offer r'n'r or history.

Really.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

--- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, he did not have the opportunity to grow old. Like
> Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, and Kurt Cobain, he died at the age of
> 27.

And yet, somehow, he is still alive. If nowhere else, then in the
tremendous influence both on music in general, and guitar playing in
particular...

I hadn't watched "Woodstock" in a long time, and to see what was on
stage (equipment-wise) compared to today was a time-warp shock!

Jimi's still playing, somewhere...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <db@b...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Erlich <paul@s...>
>
>
>
> > --- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> > > --- In metatuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <db@b...> wrote:
> > > > Today, the 27th, is Jimi Hendrix's birthday.
> > >
> > > Yowzah, another aging rocker.
> >
> > Unfortunately, he did not have the opportunity to grow old. Like
Jim
> > Morrison, Janis Joplin, and Kurt Cobain, he died at the age of 27.
>
> response #1:
>
> Wow dude! I'm so clueless I did'nt even know that!

Somehow I doubt this . . .

> reponse #2:
>
> Honestly: he was so far more talented than those folks. None if
> these people had any kind of inovation to offer r'n'r or history.
>
> Really.

Well, I mostly agree with you. The VH1 100 Greatest Artists of Hard
Rock sort of agrees -- Hendrix was #3, Nirvana #6, The Doors #32, and
Janis Joplin #48.

http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/100greatestlist/hardrock.jhtml

Perhaps the innovation offered by Nirvana is best judged by those of
a younger generation than ourselves. Think of how your parents
reacted to Jimi Hendrix.

--- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> Perhaps the innovation offered by Nirvana is best judged by those
> of a younger generation than ourselves. Think of how your parents
> reacted to Jimi Hendrix.

Ouch, that hurts, Paul! I mean, I *am* my parents, if you get my
drift... :)

Cheers,
Jon (who still believes great music transcends our temporal age...)

I wrote,

> Well, I mostly agree with you. The VH1 100 Greatest Artists of Hard
> Rock sort of agrees -- Hendrix was #3, Nirvana #6, The Doors #32,
and
> Janis Joplin #48.
>
> http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/100greatestlist/hardrock.jhtml

If we expand to all of rock & roll and not just hard rock, VH1 puts
Hendrix again at #3, The Doors at #20, Janis Joplin at #41, and
Nirvana at #42.

http://www.rockonthenet.com/xtra/vh1artists98.htm

This was back in '98, so maybe Nirvana's stock has gone up since
then . . . (?)

--- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> > Perhaps the innovation offered by Nirvana is best judged by those
> > of a younger generation than ourselves. Think of how your parents
> > reacted to Jimi Hendrix.
>
> Ouch, that hurts, Paul! I mean, I *am* my parents, if you get my
> drift... :)

Well, not really . . . I'm betting that _your_ parents, if they were
alive to experience it, weren't all that enthralled with Jimi
Hendrix . . . certainly a few older folks appreciated him at the
time, but not many . . .

In case I haven't thoroughly annoyed everyone enough with this VH1
nonsense, let me just point out that with _Nevermind_, Nirvana
actually made a higher showing (#2) than Jimi Hendrix (#5 & #72), or
the Doors (#60), on the "100 Greatest Albums":

http://www.rockonthenet.com/xtra/vh1album01.htm

The Beatles throroughly dominated this one, at #1, #6, #8, #10, #11.
Janis is nowhere to be found, though this list isn't limited to
rock . . .

My dream power trio would be Jimi Hendrix, Jaco Pastorius and Tony
Williams. Happy B-day, Jimi.

JS

not only was he the greatest r&r guitarist and greatest blues guitarist, but
as a pioneer of electronic sound painting using distortion and feedback he
leaves Stockhausen et al in the dust. It's amazing that in the 30+ years
since his death there has still not been any electric guitarist able to
equal him in innovation or expressive power. (Zappa is about the only one
who even approaches the same league in terms of improvisatory imagination).

Dante

--- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> In case I haven't thoroughly annoyed everyone enough with this VH1
> nonsense

Well, to be blunt: polls bite.

--- In metatuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> My dream power trio would be Jimi Hendrix, Jaco Pastorius and Tony
> Williams. Happy B-day, Jimi.

Excellent casting! What was that bizarre 'power trio' format at a
couple of jazz festivals - was it Jaco, Albert Mangelsdorf (trb) and
Elvin Jones? Or Tony W. on drums?

I didn't have the LP, a friend did, but it was some pretty amazing
stuff...

Cheers,
Jon (the other JS)

--- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> Well, not really . . . I'm betting that _your_ parents...

...etc. Oh, I get it - I misread the reference, and thought that you
and David were too young to appreciate JH. Oops!

My *first* band was in 6th grade, a 'power' trio that did the music
of Hendrix and Cream. I started young!

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> > My dream power trio would be Jimi Hendrix, Jaco Pastorius and Tony
> > Williams. Happy B-day, Jimi.
>
> Excellent casting! What was that bizarre 'power trio' format at a
> couple of jazz festivals - was it Jaco, Albert Mangelsdorf (trb) and
> Elvin Jones? Or Tony W. on drums?
>
> I didn't have the LP, a friend did, but it was some pretty amazing
> stuff...
>
> Cheers,
> Jon (the other JS)

Alphonse Mouzon, I believe.

JS

--- In metatuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> > Elvin Jones? Or Tony W. on drums?
>
> Alphonse Mouzon, I believe.

Yes, that was it. The hat and all... Thanks for remembering!

Jon

--- In metatuning@y..., <dante.interport@r...> wrote:
> not only was he the greatest r&r guitarist and greatest blues
guitarist, but
> as a pioneer of electronic sound painting using distortion and
feedback he
> leaves Stockhausen et al in the dust. It's amazing that in the 30+
years
> since his death there has still not been any electric guitarist
able to
> equal him in innovation or expressive power.

Amen to that!

>(Zappa is about the only one
> who even approaches the same league in terms of improvisatory
imagination).
>
> Dante

No one approaches the same league in my opinion. Zappa was great in
some ways (especially as a composer) but his guitar solos seem a bit
limited in style and scope -- as do those of other greats from jazz
and from across the pond -- when set next to Hendrix.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@...>
To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:59 PM
Subject: [metatuning] Re: h-bday JH!

> --- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> > Well, not really . . . I'm betting that _your_ parents...
>
> ...etc. Oh, I get it - I misread the reference, and thought that you
> and David were too young to appreciate JH. Oops!

I remember seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullvan and I remember my older sisters
reaction. I remember getting the newspaper and seeing the Hendrix obit
on page one. I'll be 42 in January.

dB

--- In metatuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> > Well, not really . . . I'm betting that _your_ parents...
>
> ...etc. Oh, I get it - I misread the reference, and thought that
you
> and David were too young to appreciate JH. Oops!
>
> My *first* band was in 6th grade, a 'power' trio that did the music
> of Hendrix and Cream. I started young!
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

Well then I'd consider that I'm of your generation, but just barely.
A few years younger and I'd be of the Nirvana generation. I'm
not "into" their music, but I refuse to thumb my nose at those who
feel Nirvana speaks for them and their condition in the world. And
once rock & roll ceases to be the cry of the young, it ceases to be
rock & roll.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@...>

> --- In metatuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <db@b...> wrote:
> > Today, the 27th, is Jimi Hendrix's birthday.
>
> Yowzah, another aging rocker. My lovely wife got me "Woodstock: The
> Director's Cut" DVD for my birthday, and there is additional footage
> that didn't make the film, including Hendrix doing "Voodoo Chile".

And then there's Jimi Hendrix: Live at Woodstock with the entire set!

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

In-Reply-To: <9u2l4i+sp3f@...>
Paul wrote:

> No one approaches the same league in my opinion. Zappa was great in
> some ways (especially as a composer) but his guitar solos seem a bit
> limited in style and scope -- as do those of other greats from jazz
> and from across the pond -- when set next to Hendrix.

Hmm, does that mean you're excluding Keiji Haino?

Graham

In-Reply-To: <9u2lgv+578e@...>
Paul wrote:

> Well then I'd consider that I'm of your generation, but just barely.
> A few years younger and I'd be of the Nirvana generation. I'm
> not "into" their music, but I refuse to thumb my nose at those who
> feel Nirvana speaks for them and their condition in the world. And
> once rock & roll ceases to be the cry of the young, it ceases to be
> rock & roll.

I was wondering about that, because I thought you were only a few years
older than me, and wondered how you decided you weren't of that
generation. I've quite liked Nirvana since John Peel started playing
tracks from Bleach. Never actually got round to buying any of the
records. Although I was shocked on hearing of his death, because I did
think he represented my generation in some way.

I do think they've stood the test of time, and were one of the best
American bands of their day. But that's more to do with the song writing
than the guitar playing. For the latter, try Neil Young & Crazy Horse's
"Like a Hurricane" from Weld or Syran M'Benza's "Icha" from Symbioze (with
Diblo and Lokassa sharing the solos on that track) both, I think, from
1991.

Graham

--- In metatuning@y..., graham@m... wrote:
> In-Reply-To: <9u2l4i+sp3f@e...>
> Paul wrote:
>
> > No one approaches the same league in my opinion. Zappa was great
in
> > some ways (especially as a composer) but his guitar solos seem a
bit
> > limited in style and scope -- as do those of other greats from
jazz
> > and from across the pond -- when set next to Hendrix.
>
> Hmm, does that mean you're excluding Keiji Haino?

Never heard of him/her -- is that across a larger pond from here?

--- In metatuning@y..., graham@m... wrote:
> In-Reply-To: <9u2lgv+578e@e...>
> Paul wrote:
>
> > Well then I'd consider that I'm of your generation, but just
barely.
> > A few years younger and I'd be of the Nirvana generation. I'm
> > not "into" their music, but I refuse to thumb my nose at those
who
> > feel Nirvana speaks for them and their condition in the world.
And
> > once rock & roll ceases to be the cry of the young, it ceases to
be
> > rock & roll.
>
> I was wondering about that, because I thought you were only a few
years
> older than me, and wondered how you decided you weren't of that
> generation.

Just felt that way, but now that I think of it, I was no longer in
high school when they broke through.

> I do think they've stood the test of time, and were one of the best
> American bands of their day. But that's more to do with the song
writing
> than the guitar playing.

Clearly. The message that needed to be expressed didn't require, or
desire, a lot of guitar wizardry to get it across. Too bad I was too
old to get the message :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Erlich <paul@...>

> --- In metatuning@y..., graham@m... wrote:
> > In-Reply-To: <9u2l4i+sp3f@e...>
> > Paul wrote:
> >
> > > No one approaches the same league in my opinion. Zappa was great
> in
> > > some ways (especially as a composer) but his guitar solos seem a
> bit
> > > limited in style and scope -- as do those of other greats from
> jazz
> > > and from across the pond -- when set next to Hendrix.
> >
> > Hmm, does that mean you're excluding Keiji Haino?
>
> Never heard of him/her -- is that across a larger pond from here?

Japaniese "noise" guitarist, although I'd place him more in the direction of
Derek Bailey.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

In-Reply-To: <9u2sdf+3se0@...>
Me:
> > Hmm, does that mean you're excluding Keiji Haino?

Paul:
> Never heard of him/her -- is that across a larger pond from here?

Yes, he's the lead guitarist with Fushitsusha, as well as doing a lot of
solo work. Not really my cup of tea, but certainly innovative,
expressive, powerful, stylish, and most of the other things that have been
mentioned. Very loud, slow music, related to Zen ideas. Lots of it on
Amazon, but not Virgin's "Cosmic Kurushi Monsters" compilation, which
would be the place to start for a newbie to Japanese rock.

Graham

> From: Paul Erlich <paul@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:48 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: h-bday JH!
>
>
> Perhaps the innovation offered by Nirvana is best judged by those of
> a younger generation than ourselves. Think of how your parents
> reacted to Jimi Hendrix.

I agree with the greater stature of Nirvana that you're
implying here, Paul.

But you know, I think what really shows the pre-eminince
of Hendrix is that many people of the *Nirvana* generation
love him so much! My 20-year-old roomate and all of her
friends are as crazy about Hendrix as I am. I'm listening
to him more now than I ever did, because *they're* always
playing my Hendrix CDs.

Jimi was truly a composer of the very first rank, right
up there with Beethoven and Mahler, IMO. And that's saying
nothing about his ability as a performer on guitar.

love / peace / harmony ...

-monz
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--- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

> of Hendrix is that many people of the *Nirvana* generation
> love him so much!

I meant to mention this.