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Hi Jeff,

> From: X. J. Scott <xjscott@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: human sacrifice
>
>
> [Paul:]
>
> > Is it okay for a society to prescribe mandatory
> > vaccinations for children, even if the vaccination causes
> > fatal infection 0.001% of the time, on the justification that
> > the vaccinations will save far more lives than they will
> > jeopordize?
>
> [Jeff:]
>
> >> The answer is no.
>
> > Interesting. Would it surprise you if you happened to learn
> > that you were in the minority on this issue?
>
> No it would not. I am not aware of the polling numbers
> on this issue though I am vaguely aware there is/was
> some sort of controversy about it?? In any case, I
> would not be surprised even to hear only 0.001% of the
> people agree with me and yet that would not change my
> belief that it is a fundamental human right to refuse
> medical treatment.
>
> Now if there is a clear and immediately present danger,
> such as someone with smallpox refusing medical
> treatment and demanding to be allowed into a subway or
> public place, I would say that the person does not have
> a right to endanger others in such an immediate way.
> But refusing a vaccination presents no immediate throut
> to anyone. If as you say, the vast majority of people
> support immunization, allow those people to be
> vaccinated and leave the minority alone.

I believe the USA used to have a mandatory smallpox
vaccination policy... I still have the scar on my arm
from mine, and everyone I knew as a kid had one too.

The reason it was put into effect was because it was
felt that smallpox was such a deadly and such a contagious
disease that it served the public good to vaccinate
everyone in hope that the disease would ultimately be
eliminated, which is exactly what happened. At that
point, the vaccinations became superfluous.

From
http://seercom.com/bluto/smallpox/eradication.html

>> In 1967 the World Health Organization embarked on
>> a World Eradication Program. In the prior year,
>> 10-15 million people had died of smallpox.
>> Smallpox is a good candidate for eradication because:
>>
>> 1. smallpox virus has a single, stable, serotype
>>
>> 2. there is no animal reservoir and humans are the
>> only hosts
>>
>> 3. the antibody response is prompt, so that exposed
>> persons can be protected
>>
>> 4. the disease is easily recognized clinically, so
>> that exposed persons can be immunized promptly
>>
>> 5. there is no carrier state or subclinical infection

The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta has
held on to a tiny sample of it for purposes of
future research and possible utility. It's kept
under unbelievable security... saw a whole show
about it once on PBS. The info on the webpage
referenced above implies that it no longer exists.

Here's the CDC webpage of Facts About Smallpox
... just so happens that it opens first with
Facts About Anthrax:
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/DocumentsApp/FactsAbout/FactsAbout.asp

It's also interesting to note how this topic ties in
to Neil's posts about European conquest and genocide
of the Native Americans. From
http://seercom.com/bluto/smallpox/history.html

>> The conquest of the [North American] continent was
>> very much facilitated by rapid population declines.
>> The history of early settlement was typically one of
>> European settlers moving into an area, fighting
>> aboriginals and over time, finding less and less
>> resistance. The Aztec, Huron, Iroquois, Mohigan and
>> other major nations with populations in the millions
>> were reduced to thousands or eliminated altogether,
>> mostly by smallpox.

love / peace / harmony ...

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

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smallpox (was: human sacrifice)

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