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The moral value of a human life

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@...>

7/30/2006 8:26:50 PM

I saw this today, regarding John Bolton:

http://tinyurl.com/pcqnn

I'm dumbfounded. I wake up each day, not wanting to believe that the
world around me is getting darker and darker, wanting to still believe
in the people around me, the country I live in, all of this. And then
I read that an unctuous gasbag, in a diplomatic role that ill-suits
his complete lack of diplomacy, is sitting somewhere telling people
that it is relatively OK that this kid dies but not this kid over here.

I don't open up my personal life around here very often, but I am
praying to my God that a sense of love and compassion and charity and
good will may shoot through these people's collective hearts like a
lightening bolt of ecstatic, positive energy.

This is just driving me nuts. I have never dreamed that Bush could
guide us this deeply into hell, but he has. And it makes me wonder
what it is going to take to bring us back, and if it can happen in my
lifetime. I don't plan on checking out too soon, but this is a really
big task.

I sure wish I had some powers to change things, big powers...

Dejected,
Jon

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

7/30/2006 11:57:06 PM

why we are not on a general strike is beyond me. they are not going to stop until we stop them
Jon Szanto wrote:
> I saw this today, regarding John Bolton:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pcqnn
>
> I'm dumbfounded. I wake up each day, not wanting to believe that the
> world around me is getting darker and darker, wanting to still believe
> in the people around me, the country I live in, all of this. And then
> I read that an unctuous gasbag, in a diplomatic role that ill-suits
> his complete lack of diplomacy, is sitting somewhere telling people
> that it is relatively OK that this kid dies but not this kid over here.
>
> I don't open up my personal life around here very often, but I am
> praying to my God that a sense of love and compassion and charity and
> good will may shoot through these people's collective hearts like a
> lightening bolt of ecstatic, positive energy.
>
> This is just driving me nuts. I have never dreamed that Bush could
> guide us this deeply into hell, but he has. And it makes me wonder
> what it is going to take to bring us back, and if it can happen in my
> lifetime. I don't plan on checking out too soon, but this is a really
> big task.
>
> I sure wish I had some powers to change things, big powers...
>
> Dejected,
> Jon
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🔗monz <monz@...>

7/31/2006 12:53:59 PM

Hi Jon,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:

> This is just driving me nuts. I have never dreamed that Bush
> could guide us this deeply into hell,

I did, from the very beginning: i was dumbfounded when i
witnessed the bloodless coup which stole the 2000 election
from Gore and installed Bush as Dictator of America, and
knew that it would lead to nothing but bad bad bad, for
this country and the whole world.

I talked to a lot of people about this at the time, and they
looked at me like i was nuts. But it turns out i was right.

-monz

🔗monz <monz@...>

7/31/2006 12:57:15 PM

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> why we are not on a general strike is beyond me. they are
> not going to stop until we stop them

Hear hear! That's the way to go, Kraig.

Stop giving them the money the need to commit their crimes
against humanity, and the crimes will stop. And the money
is coming from all of us, so it's in our power to stop feeding
them.

-monz

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@...>

7/31/2006 3:09:17 PM

Hi Monz,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
> I did, from the very beginning

I guess I should just say that I had hoped there were enough sane
people in positions of power to neutralize him somewhat. Turns out
they were ineffective or spineless, or worse (Lieberman).

> i was dumbfounded when i
> witnessed the bloodless coup which stole the 2000 election
> from Gore and installed Bush as Dictator of America

I know this is a big thing for a lot of people, but the fact of the
matter is that with even a moderately educated public, the vote
shouldn't have been that close. Gore lost it as much as Bush stole it,
and I'm still pissed about that. He's redeemed himself with his work
*since* the election, but AG blew the big one.

> I talked to a lot of people about this at the time, and they
> looked at me like i was nuts. But it turns out i was right.

Hmmm, then maybe you have the answer to our problems now? :) Nope, we
going to be working the rest of our lives to correct the damage that
Bush has done, if it can be undone at all.

Perservere,
Jon

🔗monz <monz@...>

7/31/2006 6:07:42 PM

Hi Jon,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Monz,
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
> >
> > i was dumbfounded when i
> > witnessed the bloodless coup which stole the 2000 election
> > from Gore and installed Bush as Dictator of America
>
> I know this is a big thing for a lot of people, but the
> fact of the matter is that with even a moderately educated
> public, the vote shouldn't have been that close. Gore lost
> it as much as Bush stole it, and I'm still pissed about that.
> He's redeemed himself with his work *since* the election,
> but AG blew the big one.

No argument from me on that one -- Gore proved to be
incredibly ineffective in the 2000 election, and IMO his
biggest mistake was distancing himself from Clinton, who,
despite what the Republican neo-cons dragged him thru,
retained a ton of support then, and *still* (in 2006)
has a *lot* of supporters ... and Clinton possesses
tons of charisma that Gore can't even dream about.

And the Democratic party as a whole, then and now,
has also been what i can only call "lame duck".

But still, no matter what Gore did or didn't achieve,
the fact is that Bush and the Supreme Court stole the
election and instituted a whole new kind of government
in the USA which is not at all the democracy that we
have had since 1787.

> > I talked to a lot of people about this at the time, and they
> > looked at me like i was nuts. But it turns out i was right.
>
> Hmmm, then maybe you have the answer to our problems now? :)

I wish. The only answer i can offer is this: unconditional love.

> Nope, we going to be working the rest of our lives to
> correct the damage that Bush has done, if it can be undone
> at all.

You're dreaming if you think the damage can be undone in
what's left of our lifetimes (we're both middle-aged now).
Our children, and probably their children too, are going
to be working their whole lives to undo it ... if it can
be undone at all, which might prove impossible.

I really hate to sound like such a pessimist, but it's
very sad to see what used to be the world's greatest and
free-est country dragged down the toilet like this.

-monz