Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup metatuning al Qaeda

For those of you who bandy the term around, I suggest
carful reading of this article AND its discussion page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Notable quotes:

...many respected observers such as Michael Scheuer, an ex-CIA
terrorism analyst, believe that al-Qaeda has evolved into a
movement "...where the jihad is self-sustaining, where Islamic
warriors fight America with or without allegiance to al-Qaeda's
bin Laden, and where the name 'al-Qaeda' provides the inspiration
for subsequent international attacks."

Al-Qaeda has no clear structure, and this permits debate as to
how many members make up the organization ... The lack of any
significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members despite a
large number of arrests on terrorism charges is ... a reason to
doubt whether a widespread entity that meets the description
of al-Qaeda exists at all.

The al-Qaeda name itself does not seem to have been used by
bin Laden himself to apply to his organization until *after the
September 11 attacks.* Previous attacks attributed to bin Laden
and al-Qaeda were, at the time, claimed by organizations under
a variety of names. Bin Laden himself has since attributed the
al-Qaeda name to the MAK base in Pakistan, dating from the
Afghan war days...

Note the phrase "its stated purpose is to rid the Islamic world
of outside coercion" on the discussion page was removed from the
header on the final page; probably because there's no body to
state such a thing.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
>
> For those of you who bandy the term around, I suggest
> carful reading of this article AND its discussion page.

+++++Carl

I don't get your point, sorry. (I didn't read all you suggested.)

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
>
> Notable quotes:
>
> ...many respected observers such as Michael Scheuer, an ex-CIA
> terrorism analyst, believe that al-Qaeda has evolved into a
> movement "...where the jihad is self-sustaining, where Islamic
> warriors fight America with or without allegiance to al-Qaeda's
> bin Laden, and where the name 'al-Qaeda' provides the inspiration
> for subsequent international attacks."

+++++ There are many groups (Hamas,etc.)

> Al-Qaeda has no clear structure, and this permits debate as to
> how many members make up the organization ... The lack of any
> significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members despite a
> large number of arrests on terrorism charges is ... a reason to
> doubt whether a widespread entity that meets the description
> of al-Qaeda exists at all.

++++ A 'widespread entity' or not doesn't matter. A handful
of men killed thousands on Sept 11.

>
> The al-Qaeda name itself does not seem to have been used by
> bin Laden himself to apply to his organization until *after the
> September 11 attacks.

+++Good enough for me.

-Stephen

>
> -Carl
>

> > ...many respected observers such as Michael Scheuer, an ex-CIA
> > terrorism analyst, believe that al-Qaeda has evolved into a
> > movement "...where the jihad is self-sustaining, where Islamic
> > warriors fight America with or without allegiance to al-Qaeda's
> > bin Laden, and where the name 'al-Qaeda' provides the inspiration
> > for subsequent international attacks."
>
> +++++ There are many groups (Hamas,etc.)

And they're very different.

> > Al-Qaeda has no clear structure, and this permits debate as to
> > how many members make up the organization ... The lack of any
> > significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members despite a
> > large number of arrests on terrorism charges is ... a reason to
> > doubt whether a widespread entity that meets the description
> > of al-Qaeda exists at all.
>
> ++++ A 'widespread entity' or not doesn't matter. A handful
> of men killed thousands on Sept 11.

You just said we were at war with al Qaeda. What did you
mean by that?

> > The al-Qaeda name itself does not seem to have been used by
> > bin Laden himself to apply to his organization until *after the
> > September 11 attacks.
>
> +++Good enough for me.

And I was behind New Coke.

-Carl

Anyone still got a link handy to that study of those buildings
collapsing right into their own footprints?

--P

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
> >
> > +++++ There are many groups (Hamas,etc.)
>
> And they're very different.

+++ I like this site. If you find a better site on these matters
let me know Carl.

From http://www.mideastweb.org/alqaeda.htm

The Al-Qaeda political philosophy is radical Islamism - the doctrine
that governments must be forced to conform to Islamic law as they
conceive it to be. It is unlikely that all Islamists are affiliated
with Al Qaeda, though it is probable that most such groups
cooperate. Groups such as the Lebanese Hizbolla, Palestinian Hamas,
and Palestinian Islamic Jihad are suspected of affiliations with Al
Qaeda, but there is a lack of evidence supporting those suspicions.
Al-Qaeda believe in Jihad (Holy War) to remove Western influences
from Muslim areas, especially Saudi Arabia and Palestine, and
reestablishment of the Caliphate (Khalifa) which will then wage
Jihad against the remainder of the non-Muslim world with the aim of
conquering it.
***************************

In February 1998, Bin Laden announced the formation of an umbrella
group called "The Islamic World Front for the struggle against the
Jews and the Crusaders"

Bin Laden claimed the new Islamic Front was the force that will
eventually vanquish America:

"The movement is driving fast and light forward. And I am sure of
our victory with Allah's help against America and the Jews. . .
After the Americans entered the Holy Land, many emotions were roused
in the Muslim world, more than we have seen before. . .The co-
operation is expanding between general supporters of this religion.
From this effort, the International Islamic Front for the Jihad
Against Jews and Crusaders was formed, which we are a member of with
other groups."

Among the organizations whose membership in the Islamic Front is
known are the Egyptian Jihad, the Egyptian Armed Group, the Pakistan
Scholars Society, the Partisans Movement in Kashmir, the Jihad
Movement in Bangladesh, and the Afghan military wing of the "Advice
and Reform" commission led by Osama Bin Laden. Al-Qaeda is also
believed to be linked with: militant Kashmiri groups, The Islamic
Movement of Uzbekistan, ( IMU), the Abu Sayyaf group in the
Philippines, the GIA, or Armed Islamic Group, in Algeria...

********************************************************

>
> > > Al-Qaeda has no clear structure, and this permits debate as to
> > > how many members make up the organization ... The lack of any
> > > significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members despite a
> > > large number of arrests on terrorism charges is ... a reason to
> > > doubt whether a widespread entity that meets the description
> > > of al-Qaeda exists at all.
> >
> > ++++ A 'widespread entity' or not doesn't matter. A handful
> > of men killed thousands on Sept 11.
>
> You just said we were at war with al Qaeda. What did you
> mean by that?

+++++++++++++ They are at war with us even though we haven't
been hit recently. We are at war with them.

The info below from same site might be from 2004.
Still it gives you a idea.

Personnel

Following is a partial list of known Al-Qaeda operatives.

Ayman Zahahiri, who was a member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood,
and later a member of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, is considered to
be the second in command of Al-Qaeda. He is Osama Bin Laden's doctor
and is also apparently responsible for Al-Qaeda financial operations.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Kuwaiti-Pakistani, suspected mastermind of
Sept. 11 attacks. Aliases: Ashraf Refaat Nabith Henin, Khalid Adbul
Wadood, Salem Ali, Fahd Bin Adballah Bin Khalid At large.

Abu Zubaydah, Palestinian-Saudi, terrorist coordinator: Captured.

Muhamad Ibrahim Makkawi (Aka Saif Al-Adil_ Egyptian, bin Laden
security chief: At large. Reputedly ordered bombings in Saudia from
Iran.

Shaikh Saiid Al-Sharif, Saudi, bin Laden's brother-in-law and Sept.
11 financier: At large.

Abd Al-Rahim Al-Nashiri, Saudi, Persian Gulf operations chief:
Captured.

Tawfiq Attash Khallad, Yemeni, operational leader, suspected
mastermind of USS Cole bombing in October 2000: At large.

Qaed Salim Sinan Al-Harethi, Yemeni, Yemen operations chief: Killed
in U.S. airstrike.

Omar Al-Farouq, Kuwaiti, Southeast Asia operations chief: Captured.

Ibn Al-Shaykh Al-Libi, Libyan, training camp commander: Captured.

Saad bin Laden, Saudi, bin Laden's son: At large.

Abu Mohammad Al-Masri, Egyptian, training camp commander: At large.

Tariq Anwar Al-Sayyid Ahmad, Egyptian, operational planner: Killed
in U.S. airstrike.

Abu Mohamed El Masri, reputed East African operations chief.

Mohammed Salah, Egyptian, operational planner: Killed in U.S.
airstrike.

Abd Al-Hadi Al-Iraqi, training camp commander: Captured.

Ahmad Fadeel Nazal Al-Khalayleh Aka Abu Musab Zarqawi - Jordanian,
operational planner: At large. Zarqawi is reputed to have been
sheltered in Iraq by Saddam Hussein after escaping from Afghanistan
and later fled to Iran. He and supposedly directed the assassination
of an American diplomat in Jordan, as well as the attack on the
synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia. Zarqawi is blamed by Washington for
organizing several attacks against Iraqi civilians and coalition
targets in Iraq.

Abu Zubair Al-Haili, Saudi, operational planner: Arrested.

Abu Hafs The Mauritanian, (aka Mahfouz Ould Al-Walid, Khalid Al-
Shanqiti, Mafouz Walad Al-Walid, Mahamedou Ouid Slahi) operational
and spiritual leader: At large.

Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Kuwaiti, Al Qaeda spokesman: At large.

Midhat Mursi, Egyptian, responsible for research on weapons of mass
destruction: At large.

Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, Saudi, financier: At large.

Hamza Al-Qatari, financier: Killed.

Ahmad Said Al-Kadr, Egyptian-Canadian, financier: At large.

Zaid Khayr, operational leader: At large.

Abu Salah Al-Yemeni: responsible for logistics, Killed.

Abu Jafar Al-Jaziri, aide to Abu Zubyadah: Killed.

Abu Basir Al-Yemeni, Yemeni, aide to Usama bin Laden: At large.

Abd Al-Aziz Al-Jamal, aide to al-Zawahri: At large.

Ramzi Binalshibh, Yemeni, planner and organizer of Sept. 11 attacks:
Captured.

Zacarias Moussaoui, charged as conspirator with Sept. 11 hijackers:
Arrested.

Zakariya Essabar, member of cell with Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed
Atta: At large.

Said Bahaji, member of cell with Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta: At
large.

>
> > > The al-Qaeda name itself does not seem to have been used by
> > > bin Laden himself to apply to his organization until *after the
> > > September 11 attacks.
> >
> > +++Good enough for me.
>
> And I was behind New Coke.

++++++++++++++++++++++ ??????????????????????????

Thanks for the reply Carl,

-Stephen

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.ericjhellergallery.com/

I used to do stuff like this is 1968(?) I had a spirograph (?).
It didn't cost $1690 (mine were much smaller though). hee, hee

http://www.ericjhellergallery.com/index.pl?page=image;iid=83

Images are nice. I sure don't understand the math and physics.

Thanks,

-Stephen

>
> http://www.ericjhellergallery.com/index.pl?page=image;iid=83
>

+++++++++ Dante

This gives you an idea of my limited social life. I'm doing this
on a day off!

Some art you might like:

http://www.artbylogic.com/ABL_Gallery.php?
ic=B&A=0&K=0&F=0&P=0&R=0&X=0&B=0&N=0&S=0&Z=0

My Spirograph wasn't based on a computer though:

http://www.wordsmith.org/~anu/java/spirograph.html

Some of the power of God. Click to enlarge image of nebula.

http://www.skyimagelab.com/spirograph-nebula.html

If you like the images at artbylogic.com please
get back to me. I just found the site now, but I
think you'll like what's there.

Feedback desired.

> > -Stephen
>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
<stephen_szpak@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.ericjhellergallery.com/index.pl?page=image;iid=83
> >
>
> +++++++++ Dante
>
> Some of the images here are beautiful. You have probably seen
them all by now though. (Colors added by computer I believe,
according to laws of physics.)

Samples:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/skyimage_1884_2013391

http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/skyimage_1884_12629238

http://www.skyimagelab.com/hubphot.html

-Stephen

what would you say are the chances that the square structure at the top of
the Mars Global Surveyor pic is a natural formation?

http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/e10004/e1000462a.jpg

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@...> wrote:
>
> what would you say are the chances that the square structure at the
top of
> the Mars Global Surveyor pic is a natural formation?
>
> http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/e10004/e1000462a.jpg
>

About 100%, I'd say. But all those irregular surfaces near the bottom
of the picture are sure indications of intelligent manufacture by a
long-extinct race of sentinent sandstorms......

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.Smith" <jsmith9624@...>
wrote:

> ...a long-extinct race of sentinent* sandstorms......
>

* sentient...lol. No trace of intelligent life in that last post....

:-)

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.Smith" <jsmith9624@...> wrote:
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@> wrote:
> >
> > what would you say are the chances that the square structure
> > at the top of the Mars Global Surveyor pic is a natural formation?
> >
> > http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/e10004/e1000462a.jpg
> >
>
>
> About 100%, I'd say. But all those irregular surfaces near
> the bottom of the picture are sure indications of intelligent
> manufacture by a long-extinct race of sentinent sandstorms......

Well, the space-alien face and body is clearly visible in
this satellite image of the Spirit rover's route.

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/mission/tm-spirit/images/MERA_A802_1_br.jpg

-monz

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:

> Well, the space-alien face and body is clearly visible in
> this satellite image of the Spirit rover's route.
>
> http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/mission/tm-spirit/images/MERA_A802_1_br.jpg

Nasty looking critter.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Well, the space-alien face and body is clearly visible in
> this satellite image of the Spirit rover's route.
>
> -monz

Oh my Gawd, I can SEE it!

I BELIEVE!! I BELIEVE!!

:-)

Mars - god of war

http://www.meridiangraphics.net/mars.htm

Different face, different place:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/962839/detail.html

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wtcface.htm

When Mars attacked:

http://www.waroftheworlds.com/

(You thought I was bad before. Today I got DSL :)

-Stephen