some large sound files

Hello Tuners! (comments best on MMM i would imagine)
I thought as i was in the process of saving some old work, i would be some files up that might be useful for a couple of reasons.
Done 17 years ago with a retunable Kurzweil keyboard, i apologize for the crudeness of the pieces as it was something i did pretty much on the fly over at a friends house on their equipment and didn't have much time to tinker with it.
The two pieces reflect my interest in exploring the possibilities inherent in investigating different inversion of the same pitch material.
In this case the 1-3-5-9 hexany which doesn't really sound much like a hexany due to it being a just major minus the leading tone and the other being the 7-9-11-15 hexany.
Both pieces were done by figuring out the 720 inversions and extracting the most interesting ones to my ear and placing them in an order that reflected a dissonance curve based on the method i used for a series of lullabies which i think i have stated enough based on adding the numerical value of the harmonics in question in the spacing plus the 1st order difference tones but omitting any repeated number.

At the time i thought of this method of writing as being similar to sculpture in that one has a big block of stone (720 inversions) and one whittles away all the unwanted material until what you want is left.
needless to say such a process was very time consuming ( in that i also have placed all the inversions form consonant to dissonant in order before choosing)

I really don't like the sounds of MP3s so you will forgive me that i did not include that format also
the first "A Last Look" was originally done on a small estey organ ( which you can hear in the background) , then different timbres were chosen for lines that likewise moved within the pitches of the exact spacing.
one will hear all 6 tones at any particular time, just the spacing is changed.
http://anaphoria.com/alastlook.ogg

the second "Ascension" was done in the same manner and as the synth was only capable of the 768 resolution per octave, i have never known for sure if the beats and the effects were the result of the tuning or lack of better resolution. hence it marked my end at that time with working with electronics.
http://anaphoria.com/ascension.ogg

i am sorry to say i cannot find the scores at the moment.

Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

> the first "A Last Look" was originally done on a small estey organ
>(which you can hear in the background), then different timbres were
>chosen for lines that likewise moved within the pitches of the exact
>spacing.
>one will hear all 6 tones at any particular time, just the spacing is
>changed.
>http://anaphoria.com/alastlook.ogg

That's one killer chord!!

>http://anaphoria.com/ascension.ogg

This one reminds me somewhat of Ligeti's "atmospheres".

>the second "Ascension" was done in the same manner and as the synth was
>only capable of the 768 resolution per octave, i have never known for
>sure if the beats and the effects were the result of the tuning or lack
>of better resolution.

Why does it matter?

-Carl

On Wednesday 22 June 2005 12:33 pm, Kraig Grady wrote:
> Hello Tuners! (comments best on MMM i would imagine)
> I thought as i was in the process of saving some old work, i would
> be some files up that might be useful for a couple of reasons.
> Done 17 years ago with a retunable Kurzweil keyboard, i apologize for
> the crudeness of the pieces as it was something i did pretty much on the
> fly over at a friends house on their equipment and didn't have much time
> to tinker with it.
> The two pieces reflect my interest in exploring the possibilities
> inherent in investigating different inversion of the same pitch material.
> In this case the 1-3-5-9 hexany which doesn't really sound much like a
> hexany due to it being a just major minus the leading tone and the
> other being the 7-9-11-15 hexany.
> Both pieces were done by figuring out the 720 inversions and extracting
> the most interesting ones to my ear and placing them in an order that
> reflected a dissonance curve based on the method i used for a series of
> lullabies which i think i have stated enough based on adding the
> numerical value of the harmonics in question in the spacing plus the 1st
> order difference tones but omitting any repeated number.
>
> At the time i thought of this method of writing as being similar to
> sculpture in that one has a big block of stone (720 inversions) and one
> whittles away all the unwanted material until what you want is left.
> needless to say such a process was very time consuming ( in that i also
> have placed all the inversions form consonant to dissonant in order
> before choosing)

This is a thought-provoking and inspiring creative process, very 'brute-force'
in it's approach.

> I really don't like the sounds of MP3s so you will forgive me that i did
> not include that format also
>
> the first "A Last Look" was originally done on a small estey organ (
> which you can hear in the background) , then different timbres were
> chosen for lines that likewise moved within the pitches of the exact
> spacing.
> one will hear all 6 tones at any particular time, just the spacing is
> changed.
> http://anaphoria.com/alastlook.ogg

Simply gorgeous, Kraig!
(too bad about all the clicking and popping--perhaps you can edit these out
with a soundfile editor? It would be very time consuming though....

>
> the second "Ascension" was done in the same manner and as the synth was
> only capable of the 768 resolution per octave, i have never known for
> sure if the beats and the effects were the result of the tuning or lack
> of better resolution. hence it marked my end at that time with working
> with electronics.
> http://anaphoria.com/ascension.ogg
>

This one had a more alien-type beauty....

-Aaron.

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

>
>
>This is a thought-provoking and inspiring creative process, very 'brute-force' >in it's approach.
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yes it is very time comsuming, and i wasn't sure if it was going to work.
Perhaps others have noticed the downfall of saying just taking out your favorite parts of something and the results not being what one imagine.
One has to make sure that what draws one attention to something is not caused by its contrast to what been before, or if this is the case, then one must include that also

>
>Simply gorgeous, Kraig!
>(too bad about all the clicking and popping--perhaps you can edit these out >with a soundfile editor? It would be very time consuming though....
> >
Glad it is useful to someone of your own abilities
It is a casette transfer and there was already one complete fallout i had to take out.
perhaps when i m too old to do much else it might be worth while.
doing a different one might be a better way to go.
and possibly someone will come up with a good program to do all the computations for me and place them in order, so all i would have to do is evaluate the results.
Maybe there is something nice about a decaying beauty too

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>This one had a more alien-type beauty....
> >
perhaps i could combine the two

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>-Aaron.
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--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Hello Guys,

Boy does this sound stupid:

How do you listen to an .ogg file?

Still mired in the 20th century,

Kyle

Hi Kyle,

There are a few choices, I prefer a free app called "foobar2000" (http://www.foobar2000.org). You can also use Winamp but you need the proper plugin. More info at http://www.vorbis.com.

A number of us are starting to prefer ogg over mp3 for its higher rate of compression with good sound quality. I use Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to convert wav to ogg, there are of course other options as well.

(BTW, I really enjoyed the piece you posted recently -- looking forward to hearing a recorded performance with people.)

- Dave

--
Dave Seidel
[blog] http://superluminal.com/dave/weblog
[music] http://mysterybear.net

kylegann1955 wrote:
> Hello Guys,
> > Boy does this sound stupid:
> > How do you listen to an .ogg file?
> > Still mired in the 20th century,
> > Kyle

Dave, Kyle,

{Dave wrote...}
>There are a few choices, I prefer a free app called "foobar2000" >(http://www.foobar2000.org). You can also use Winamp but you need the
>proper plugin. More info at http://www.vorbis.com.

Dave, AFAIK, Winamp has supported .ogg directly for a fair amount of time. I'm certain I didn't have to download a separate plugin for it, and with Winamp then I only have one application for listening to a variety of file formats (and your idea of using Audacity for .ogg compression is a good one). The basic Winamp player is still free:

http://www.winamp.com/player/

Kyle, add me to the list of people liking the piece as well, esp. when I imagine it with the acoustic instrumentalists...

Cheers,
Jon

You're right, Jon, sorry about that. I guess I was thinking of FLAC support or something else that isn't built in.

- Dave

Jon Szanto wrote:
> Dave, AFAIK, Winamp has supported .ogg directly for a fair amount of time. > I'm certain I didn't have to download a separate plugin for it, and with > Winamp then I only have one application for listening to a variety of file > formats (and your idea of using Audacity for .ogg compression is a good > one). The basic Winamp player is still free:

There's also 'zinf', a cross-platform .wav,.mp3 and .ogg player for Linux and
that other OS, what's it called?

-Aaron.

On Friday 24 June 2005 8:08 am, kylegann1955 wrote:
> Hello Guys,
>
> Boy does this sound stupid:
>
> How do you listen to an .ogg file?
>
> Still mired in the 20th century,
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
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>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

akj,

{you wrote...}
>There's also 'zinf', a cross-platform .wav,.mp3 and .ogg player for Linux and
>that other OS, what's it called?

Tiger? :)

J

Thanks for the help. But, umm, hmmm, any of these programs, uhhh,
Mac-compatible? Foobar said it was only for Windows, and Winamp
downloaded as an .exe file (no other choice given) that my laptop
won't seem to open. I may be a Luddite, but I'll stand by my Mac! ogg
or no ogg.

Kyle

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Dave Seidel <dave@s...> wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
>
> There are a few choices, I prefer a free app called "foobar2000"
> (http://www.foobar2000.org). You can also use Winamp but you need the
> proper plugin. More info at http://www.vorbis.com.
>
> A number of us are starting to prefer ogg over mp3 for its higher rate
> of compression with good sound quality. I use Audacity
> (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to convert wav to ogg, there are of
> course other options as well.
>
> (BTW, I really enjoyed the piece you posted recently -- looking forward
> to hearing a recorded performance with people.)
>
> - Dave
>
> --
> Dave Seidel
> [blog] http://superluminal.com/dave/weblog
> [music] http://mysterybear.net
>
>
>
> kylegann1955 wrote:
> > Hello Guys,
> >
> > Boy does this sound stupid:
> >
> > How do you listen to an .ogg file?
> >
> > Still mired in the 20th century,
> >
> > Kyle

I am a mac person too. i have Audion 3.0.2 as a freeware which can choose toy pay for or not.
and i use ogg drop to convert to piles.
both yours and mine pieces are for DSL or cable people of which i am neither. so far

kylegann1955 wrote:

>Thanks for the help. But, umm, hmmm, any of these programs, uhhh, >Mac-compatible? Foobar said it was only for Windows, and Winamp
>downloaded as an .exe file (no other choice given) that my laptop
>won't seem to open. I may be a Luddite, but I'll stand by my Mac! ogg
>or no ogg.
>
>Kyle
>
>
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Dave Seidel <dave@s...> wrote:
> >
>>Hi Kyle,
>>
>>There are a few choices, I prefer a free app called "foobar2000" >>(http://www.foobar2000.org). You can also use Winamp but you need the >>proper plugin. More info at http://www.vorbis.com.
>>
>>A number of us are starting to prefer ogg over mp3 for its higher rate >>of compression with good sound quality. I use Audacity >>(http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to convert wav to ogg, there are of >>course other options as well.
>>
>>(BTW, I really enjoyed the piece you posted recently -- looking forward >>to hearing a recorded performance with people.)
>>
>>- Dave
>>
>>-- >>Dave Seidel
>> [blog] http://superluminal.com/dave/weblog
>>[music] http://mysterybear.net
>>
>>
>>
>>kylegann1955 wrote:
>> >>
>>>Hello Guys,
>>>
>>>Boy does this sound stupid:
>>>
>>>How do you listen to an .ogg file?
>>>
>>>Still mired in the 20th century,
>>>
>>>Kyle
>>> >>>
>
>
>
>
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> >
>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

boy did i miss spelling on this one :)

Kraig Grady wrote:

>I am a mac person too. i have Audion 3.0.2 as a freeware which can >choose toy pay for or not.
> and i use ogg drop to convert to piles.
> both yours and mine pieces are for DSL or cable people of which i am >neither. so far
>
>kylegann1955 wrote:
>
> >
>>Thanks for the help. But, umm, hmmm, any of these programs, uhhh, >>Mac-compatible? Foobar said it was only for Windows, and Winamp
>>downloaded as an .exe file (no other choice given) that my laptop
>>won't seem to open. I may be a Luddite, but I'll stand by my Mac! ogg
>>or no ogg.
>>
>>Kyle
>>
>>
>>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Dave Seidel <dave@s...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>>>Hi Kyle,
>>>
>>>There are a few choices, I prefer a free app called "foobar2000" >>>(http://www.foobar2000.org). You can also use Winamp but you need the >>>proper plugin. More info at http://www.vorbis.com.
>>>
>>>A number of us are starting to prefer ogg over mp3 for its higher rate >>>of compression with good sound quality. I use Audacity >>>(http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to convert wav to ogg, there are of >>>course other options as well.
>>>
>>>(BTW, I really enjoyed the piece you posted recently -- looking forward >>>to hearing a recorded performance with people.)
>>>
>>>- Dave
>>>
>>>-- >>>Dave Seidel
>>> [blog] http://superluminal.com/dave/weblog
>>>[music] http://mysterybear.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>kylegann1955 wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>>>Hello Guys,
>>>>
>>>>Boy does this sound stupid:
>>>>
>>>>How do you listen to an .ogg file?
>>>>
>>>>Still mired in the 20th century,
>>>>
>>>>Kyle
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Kyle,

{you wrote...}
>Thanks for the help. But, umm, hmmm, any of these programs, uhhh, >Mac-compatible?

Ah, geez, sorry about that! I forget you're Mac-centric. There must be a number of alternatives (I can't *believe* Quicktime hasn't added .ogg support, but apparantly not), but I better let the Mac people chime in. I bet J. M. Hobbs would know the answer...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@c...> wrote:
(I can't *believe* Quicktime hasn't added .ogg
> support, but apparantly not), but I better let the Mac people chime in.

IMHO, Quicktime is currently the leading obstacle to widespread
reception of microtonality. Quicktime's midi implementation simply
ignores pitchbend instructions.

DJW

Daniel,

{you wrote...}
>IMHO, Quicktime is currently the leading obstacle to widespread reception >of microtonality. Quicktime's midi implementation simply ignores pitchbend >instructions.

Yeah, um, OK, whatever. Wasn't talking about midi, I was merely responding to the plea of a Mac owner for an option on his machine for the playback of an audio file. And besides - what good piece of music will stand in a midi implementation alone?

I understand your evangelism or campaigning, but I want to first find a solution for Kyle's dilemma, then we can address other issues. So, Mac users, what's a good .ogg player?

Cheers,
Jon

i mention audion which is free but they tryto talk you into paying

Jon Szanto wrote:

>Daniel,
>
>{you wrote...}
> >
>>IMHO, Quicktime is currently the leading obstacle to widespread reception >>of microtonality. Quicktime's midi implementation simply ignores pitchbend >>instructions.
>> >>
>
>Yeah, um, OK, whatever. Wasn't talking about midi, I was merely responding >to the plea of a Mac owner for an option on his machine for the playback of >an audio file. And besides - what good piece of music will stand in a midi >implementation alone?
>
>I understand your evangelism or campaigning, but I want to first find a >solution for Kyle's dilemma, then we can address other issues. So, Mac >users, what's a good .ogg player?
>
>Cheers,
>Jon >
>
>
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> >
>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles