Iranian piano

Once again I heard music featuring a piano with quarter tones on
RadioDarvish (a Persian classical Internet radio station). Do they
tune the chosen note up/down a quarter tone or do they actually build
24tET pianos in Iran?

Just curious,
Paolo

I believe they retune a few tones.
Yamaha made a special synth for this area of the world that has a 12 tone sclae with such intervals and you push buttons to transpose the whole keyboard into different keys/ modes;.
Such an unimagative or sonic way to get neutral thirds and or seconds

paolovalladolid wrote:

>Once again I heard music featuring a piano with quarter tones on
>RadioDarvish (a Persian classical Internet radio station). Do they
>tune the chosen note up/down a quarter tone or do they actually build
>24tET pianos in Iran?
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>Just curious,
>Paolo
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Paolo

I just got my first microtonal set-up setup.

My main interest is in my scale (The Szpak Scale)

It is a non-EDO 24 note per octave scale. In Scala it is
listed as:

szpak_24.scl

Basically it goes:

0-60.88-100-160.88-200-260.88 until 1200 cents

I like it.

I have been practicing "playing" in 24 (with my 12 EDO
keyboard set to off) for a long long time. Even now (with
my set-up,Dell computer and Yamaha keyboard) I can't really
flow effortlessly just yet. My memory is below average.

The nice thing about learning to play in 24 on a keyboard is
that the 12 note Western scale is already there AND the 'new'
notes can be skewed left or right( as I have done{right} )creating
new scales quite easily.

Notes of note: (szpak_24.scl)

12 Western major triads with the harmonic 7th
12 Western minor triads with the harmonic 7th
12 subminor triads with the harmonic 7th

12 "new" major triads
12 "new" minor triads

If you wish to talk about tuning theory I'm
just not the person. Sorry.

Stephen Szpak

wrote:
> Once again I heard music featuring a piano with quarter tones on
> RadioDarvish (a Persian classical Internet radio station). Do they
> tune the chosen note up/down a quarter tone or do they actually build
> 24tET pianos in Iran?
>
> Just curious,
> Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
<stephen_szpak@h...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid"
<phv40@h...>
>
> Paolo
>
> >
> The nice thing about learning to play in 24 on a keyboard is
> that the 12 note Western scale is already there AND the 'new'
> notes can be skewed left.

If the 'new' notes are skewed left I would suggest:

0-30-100-130-200-230 until 1200 cents

after a quick look here:

http://www.kylegann.com/Octave.html

I'm sure the theorists can help you more if there
is interest.

Stephen Szpak

>
> wrote:
> > Once again I heard music featuring a piano with quarter tones on
> > RadioDarvish (a Persian classical Internet radio station). Do
they
> > tune the chosen note up/down a quarter tone or do they actually
build
> > 24tET pianos in Iran?
> >
> > Just curious,
> > Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
<stephen_szpak@h...> wrote:

> szpak_24.scl

I don't see it in my Scala catalog. I'd better download a recent one
and check again.

Gene,

{you wrote...}
>I don't see it in my Scala catalog. I'd better download a recent one and >check again.

I think Stephen has simply added it to his collection (I've been helping him offlist). In any event, I plugged in a copy to mine, if you want to check it out I can email an attachment...

Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@c...> wrote:
> Gene,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >I don't see it in my Scala catalog. I'd better download a recent
one and
> >check again.
>
> I think Stephen has simply added it to his collection (I've been
helping
> him offlist).

No, I did find it in the most recent Scala archives. I still can't
figure out why those exact values, rather than something which gives
better septimal tuning, since the 5-limit stuff does not seem to be a
target. Why not something more like 0 82.15 100 182.15 200 ... ? This
gives much better 7/6 and 7/4.

G,

{you wrote...}
>No, I did find it in the most recent Scala archives.

Hmmm. He must have written to Manuel or something. Shows what I know!

>I still can't figure out why those exact values...

He had some kind of reasoning, but I couldn't say exactly what it was.

Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@c...>
wrote:

Gene

It was in the latest version of the scales list. I did NOT
add it myself. Wouldn't know how at this point.

I choose 60.88 cents because it is less than 8 cents from
the harmonic 7th (960.88) and less than 10 cents from the
harmonic 11th (560.88). It is close to other ratios too.

You definitly know more about all this than I do.

From the list from the program:::::::::::::

Scala version 2.21n Copyright E.F. Op de Coul, the Netherlands, 2004
|
Steven Szpak's scale, TL 2-1-2004
0: 1/1 0.000 unison, perfect prime
1: 60.880 cents 60.880
2: 100.000 cents 100.000
3: 160.880 cents 160.880
4: 200.000 cents 200.000
5: 260.880 cents 260.880
6: 300.000 cents 300.000
7: 360.880 cents 360.880
8: 400.000 cents 400.000
9: 460.880 cents 460.880
10: 500.000 cents 500.000
11: 560.880 cents 560.880
12: 600.000 cents 600.000
13: 660.880 cents 660.880
14: 700.000 cents 700.000
15: 760.880 cents 760.880
16: 800.000 cents 800.000
17: 860.880 cents 860.880
18: 900.000 cents 900.000
19: 960.880 cents 960.880
20: 1000.000 cents 1000.000
21: 1060.880 cents 1060.880
22: 1100.000 cents 1100.000
23: 1160.880 cents 1160.880
24: 2/1 1200.000 octave

Stephen Szpak

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> > Gene,
> >
> > {you wrote...}
> > >I don't see it in my Scala catalog. I'd better download a recent
> one and
> > >check again.
> >
> > I think Stephen has simply added it to his collection (I've been
> helping
> > him offlist).
>
> No, I did find it in the most recent Scala archives. I still can't
> figure out why those exact values, rather than something which
gives
> better septimal tuning, since the 5-limit stuff does not seem to
be a
> target. Why not something more like 0 82.15 100 182.15 200 ... ?
This
> gives much better 7/6 and 7/4.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
<stephen_szpak@h...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" <phv40@h...>
>
> Paolo
>
> I just got my first microtonal set-up setup.
>
> My main interest is in my scale (The Szpak Scale)

Hey Stephen,

Sorry for the late response, and also sorry for the misunderstanding I
may have contributed about Persian music. I definitely want to learn
more about tuning theory that is specific to this music, but my
teacher is currently placing the greatest emphasis on my viola
technique, basic _Persian_ music theory, and acquisition of
repertoire, because he wants me in his orchestra as soon as possible.
So tuning theory discussions _within the context of Persian music_
are taking a back seat in our lessons.

Anyway, Kraig apparently knows a lot more about Persian tuning theory
than I do (I may be studying with a guy who actually plays it, knows
the Radif, has access to far more than 25 recordings, etc. but I've
only been his student for a month so far) so maybe you can just ask
him if you ever get curious.

Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid"
<phv40@h...> wrote:

Paolo

I knew it wasn't about your Persian stuff. I was
just so enthusiastic about my set-up that I wanted
to post something. I can definitly get some mileage
out of my scale. Some nice chord progressions WITH
totally compatability with 12 EDO, which I regard as
a plus.

Stephen Szpak

> > > Paolo
> >
> > I just got my first microtonal set-up setup.
> >
> > My main interest is in my scale (The Szpak Scale)
>
> Hey Stephen,
>
> Sorry for the late response, and also sorry for the
misunderstanding I
> may have contributed about Persian music. I definitely want to
learn
> more about tuning theory that is specific to this music, but my
> teacher is currently placing the greatest emphasis on my viola
> technique, basic _Persian_ music theory,>
> Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
<stephen_szpak@h...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid"
> <phv40@h...> wrote:
>
> Paolo
>
> I knew it wasn't about your Persian stuff. I was
> just so enthusiastic about my set-up that I wanted
> to post something. I can definitly get some mileage
> out of my scale. Some nice chord progressions WITH
> totally compatability with 12 EDO, which I regard as
> a plus.
>
> Stephen Szpak

No sweat, man. I'm too occupied with Persian music studies to delve
further into more generalized forms of microtonal music. I mostly
just lurk to try to keep up with what others are doing. Good luck
with your scale development!

Paolo