Re: [MMM] New 22-tET Music

Fantasic--I'm glad you're going in that direction. I'm not a metal fan per
se, but I'll like anything more if it has a micro-slant. This was
thouroughly enjoyable; some of your best and most intricate work to date!

Best,
Aaron.

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 08:56 pm, Igliashon Jones wrote:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/cityoftheasleepmusic.htm
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> Check out "revenge of the inorganic compounds". Decatonic [mostly,
> except for some Superpyth in the interlude] Metal to the EXTREEEM!!!!
> with some really f'ed up compound meters. Not quite the level of Mr.
> Stearns' work, but I'm getting there ;->. Comments highly encouraged.
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> I'm currently working on another metal piece that's a bit more
> thematic, based around a recurring 6-against-5 polyrhythm and some
> rather gnarly harmonies. I also have a song that I'll post a bit later
> that is quite the contrast: the slowest song I've ever written, at a
> lugubrious 77 bpm. Aaaand, I have a simple Porcupine-8 rock song (not
> to be confused with the one Stevie and I are working on) that I may
> post eventually. Ugh, now THERE'S a difficult scale to compose with!
> I think the only musical idiom it fits well with is pop-rock (or maybe
> Gregorian Chant!); it's too blunt to handle more "nuanced" music.
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> -Igliashon
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Thank you very much, Aaron! Your compliment means a lot, as I find
your work some of the most inspirational to me. In fact the piece
I'm working on now is very directly influenced by that canon of
yours...viva los polyritmos!

-igs

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson
<akjmicro@c...> wrote:
> Fantasic--I'm glad you're going in that direction. I'm not a metal
fan per
> se, but I'll like anything more if it has a micro-slant. This was
> thouroughly enjoyable; some of your best and most intricate work
to date!
>
> Best,
> Aaron.
>
> On Tuesday 29 March 2005 08:56 pm, Igliashon Jones wrote:
> > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/cityoftheasleepmusic.htm
> >
> > Check out "revenge of the inorganic compounds". Decatonic
[mostly,
> > except for some Superpyth in the interlude] Metal to the
EXTREEEM!!!!
> > with some really f'ed up compound meters. Not quite the level of
Mr.
> > Stearns' work, but I'm getting there ;->. Comments highly
encouraged.
> >
> > I'm currently working on another metal piece that's a bit more
> > thematic, based around a recurring 6-against-5 polyrhythm and some
> > rather gnarly harmonies. I also have a song that I'll post a bit
later
> > that is quite the contrast: the slowest song I've ever written,
at a
> > lugubrious 77 bpm. Aaaand, I have a simple Porcupine-8 rock song
(not
> > to be confused with the one Stevie and I are working on) that I
may
> > post eventually. Ugh, now THERE'S a difficult scale to compose
with!
> > I think the only musical idiom it fits well with is pop-rock (or
maybe
> > Gregorian Chant!); it's too blunt to handle more "nuanced" music.
> >
> > -Igliashon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >

Igliashon Jones wrote:

> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/cityoftheasleepmusic.htm
>
> Check out "revenge of the inorganic compounds". Decatonic [mostly,
> except for some Superpyth in the interlude] Metal to the EXTREEEM!!!!
> with some really f'ed up compound meters. Not quite the level of Mr.
> Stearns' work, but I'm getting there ;->. Comments highly encouraged.

Oy vey! That was fun, really, and I need to get the guitarist in the band I'm in to hear this one. He's a twelve-toner, but I'm trying to 'proselytize' him. (I'll just encourage him to use slide more instead of ripping the frets out of his Strat.) Fortunately, the drummer understands odd meters well; since he's more of the Bonham/Peart persuasion.

Turns out I'm having the biggest difficulty working in mircotonal chromaticism (or should I say 'enharmonicism' instead?)

> I'm currently working on another metal piece that's a bit more
> thematic, based around a recurring 6-against-5 polyrhythm and some
> rather gnarly harmonies. I also have a song that I'll post a bit later
> that is quite the contrast: the slowest song I've ever written, at a
> lugubrious 77 bpm.

I have to hear what 6-vs-5 sounds like. I'm working on a tune in 12/8 which is 6-vs-5-vs-4.

(Tool has a song, "The Grudge", that's 5-against-3 or something like that. I wish they'd go at least quarter-tone.)

~Danny~

> (Tool has a song, "The Grudge", that's 5-against-3 or something like
that. I
> wish they'd go at least quarter-tone.)

I think the song you're thinking of is "The Patient", where the guitars
are in 5 but the drums are in 3 (mostly; they even out every few
bars). Yeah, someone needs to drop the microtonal bomb on those guys,
I know they're all into numerology and stuff like that so they'd
probably be pretty stoked if it was presented in the right context.
Can you imagine what that would do for the microtonal community if a
band as big as Tool got into it?

-Igs

Tool playing microtonal would be truly awesome. Another person I've always wanted to hear in a microtonal context is Robert Fripp. Coincidently, Fripp did a few days of recording within the past few months for Adam Jones of Tool, and one can only hope that some of the noise he made will end up on the next Tool CD (which may actually be possible now, with A Perfect Circle taking a break from touring).

- Dave

Igliashon Jones wrote:
> >>(Tool has a song, "The Grudge", that's 5-against-3 or something like > > that. I > >>wish they'd go at least quarter-tone.)
> > > I think the song you're thinking of is "The Patient", where the guitars > are in 5 but the drums are in 3 (mostly; they even out every few > bars). Yeah, someone needs to drop the microtonal bomb on those guys, > I know they're all into numerology and stuff like that so they'd > probably be pretty stoked if it was presented in the right context. > Can you imagine what that would do for the microtonal community if a > band as big as Tool got into it?
> > -Igs
> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > >

Condensing two replies into one post. Both are related to my post about Tool's use of polyrhythms and why they (and some other prog-rock outfits) would PWN if they went microtonal.

Igliashon Jones wrote:

> I think the song you're thinking of is "The Patient", where the guitars
> are in 5 but the drums are in 3 (mostly; they even out every few
> bars). Yeah, someone needs to drop the microtonal bomb on those guys,
> I know they're all into numerology and stuff like that so they'd
> probably be pretty stoked if it was presented in the right context.
> Can you imagine what that would do for the microtonal community if a
> band as big as Tool got into it?

I don't remember if I've heard that song; the only CD I have is Lateralus, and I haven't heard �nima in years. And I know Danny Carey is into Indian music and plays tabla himself. Justin Chancellor and Adam Jones play fretted instruments, but you can always bend strings...

With the state the music industry is in nowadays, their unwillingness to break from formulas and cookie-cutter music (which applies to almost all genres), this may only be a pipe dream. But it's been done in progressive rock at least once. Emerson, Lake and Palmer had a song with a synth intro that used a cluster chord with 3/4-tone steps, but I can't remember what it's called. It was a one-off thing, however. I don't think Rush has even done it once on any of their many albums, even the ones that are heavy on keyboards.

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Dave Seidel wrote:

> Tool playing microtonal would be truly awesome. Another person I've
> always wanted to hear in a microtonal context is Robert Fripp.
> Coincidently, Fripp did a few days of recording within the past few
> months for Adam Jones of Tool, and one can only hope that some of the
> noise he made will end up on the next Tool CD (which may actually be
> possible now, with A Perfect Circle taking a break from touring).

I believe they - Tool, not APC - are working on a new CD. I think it's expected to drop around year's end.

Unfortunately, I'm not too savvy on King Crimson, a fact I'm deeply ashamed of. But that would be something Fripp would do, I'd imagine. I think he's done it; I just Googled for [Fripp microtonal] to see what I might get.

And I should know if Zappa ever worked microtonals into any of his music. I have to listen to a lot of his songs real closely. I want to say "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" from the Mothers years has some funky tuning on strings....

~Danny~

> I don't remember if I've heard that song; the only CD I have is
Lateralus,

"The Patient" is track 3 on Lateralus.

>Justin Chancellor and Adam Jones play fretted instruments, but you
>can always bend strings...

Have you ever listened to Meshuggah? I know they use standard-fretted
instruments, but Fredrik Thordendal plays *the* most blatantly
microtonal solos I've ever heard anyone play on any guitar (regardless
of fretting/tuning). On more than a few songs he employs what sounds
like a detuned "harmonizer" effect, doubling his solo notes with notes
ranging a quartertone to a 3/4-tone off. If you haven't heard them,
check out their album "Chaosphere"...that's one of my all-time faves.

-Igs

hi Danny,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Wier" <dawiertx@s...>
wrote:

> And I should know if Zappa ever worked microtonals into
> any of his music. I have to listen to a lot of his songs
> real closely. I want to say "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" from
> the Mothers years has some funky tuning on strings....

there's a section of _Lumpy Gravy_ that sounds like it's
a tape collage of bits from a Partch recording.

someone else posted something about microtonal Zappa
within the last few weeks on one of the tuning lists,
saying that published Zappa scores have quartertones,
but the person posting noted that it may have been Steve
Vai's transcriptions of Zappa playing and not Zappa's
own actual notation.

-monz

monz wrote:

>hi Danny,
>
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Danny Wier" <dawiertx@s...> >wrote:
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> >
>>And I should know if Zappa ever worked microtonals into
>>any of his music. I have to listen to a lot of his songs
>>real closely. I want to say "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" from
>>the Mothers years has some funky tuning on strings....
>> >>
>
>
>there's a section of _Lumpy Gravy_ that sounds like it's
>a tape collage of bits from a Partch recording.
>
>someone else posted something about microtonal Zappa
>within the last few weeks on one of the tuning lists,
>saying that published Zappa scores have quartertones, >but the person posting noted that it may have been Steve
>Vai's transcriptions of Zappa playing and not Zappa's
>own actual notation.
> >
It's in the Frank Zappa Guitar Book. It had to be approved by Zappa.

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