Justin White asked about microtuning using Logic - here is the lowdown.

If you are wanting to produce professional/commercial microtonal music, Logic is certainly the best current way to do it, from my experience
There are some kracks out there for the last M$ version 5, but to make the microtuning really easy you need to go for Logic 7, which requires a Mac G3 or higher running OSX (best on G5 dual with extra RAM) and a legit. dongle.

There is some info. + downloads about how to do the tuning here:

http://www.lucytune.com/midi_and_keyboard/pitch_bend.html

The limitation is that you can only use a max of 12 notes per octave at any one time via the tuning settings for your virtual instruments and pitch correction etc.

The workaround is to bounce to audio for one tuning assignment, change the tuning settings, bounce other tracks for second/third/etc tuning assignments, then mix the various audio tracks.

The stated resolution is to nearest tenth of a cent.

I am currently running Logic 7.0.1, which has a few bugs still, but there are workarounds.

The main current limitation is that you can only run one sound card at a time as AU audio is set up at present, but it does surround sound perfectly, and is great for video/film sync using QuickTime video.

But beware it has a STEEP learning curve.

The many logic user groups are very responsive and helpful.

I'm have Logic installed on one G5 dual 2.0 MHz 4Gig Ram 250GB HD + 500GB outboard HD and two G4 400 MHz, which are all linked on a LAN + WiFi.

You can sample, then throw away, all your old synths, samplers, efx boxes, filters etc. Logic makes them all obsolete.

To produce pro music, hardware required is a Mac G5 + good six or more channel sound card or similar + a midi in through a decent keyboard + useful item is a six or more channel mixer + microphones and electric and acoustic instruments + build/collect yourself a good sample library.

I hope this is helpful.

It will even (horrors of horrors) microtune JI (if that's your bag) -;)

Charles Lucy - lucy@...
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Charles,

Two statements from you:

{you wrote...}
>If you are wanting to produce professional/commercial microtonal music, >Logic is certainly the best current way to do it, from my experience

...and...

>The limitation is that you can only use a max of 12 notes per octave at >any one time via the tuning settings for your virtual instruments and >pitch correction etc. The workaround is to bounce to audio for one tuning >assignment, change
>the tuning settings, bounce other tracks for second/third/etc tuning >assignments, then mix the various audio tracks.

Explain how this is better than a midi/audio sequencing/recording program that can use any of the at least 1/2 dozen software instruments that allow complete, >12-notes-per-octave microtuning. All without bouncing.

I understand that this may be the platform that you are invested in, but Sonar + any of a number of soft insts completely fills the bill, without any of the workarounds and limitations you mention. Does Logic not have the ability to use VST instruments?

Cheers,
Jon

Charles,

Ah, just to be perfectly clear, I *realize* you were responding to Justin WRT Logic; assuming that is a platform he already has or has access to, I'm sure your information will be helpful to him. I was mainly replying to the concept of what the "best current way" to make microtonal might be. And there are probably a few "best" ways!

Cheers,
Jon

Hi Charles thanks for your response.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <makemicro@l...> wrote:
>
> If you are wanting to produce professional/commercial microtonal music,
> Logic is certainly the best current way to do it, from my experience
> There are some kracks out there for the last M$ version 5, but to make
> the microtuning really easy you need to go for Logic 7, which requires
> a Mac G3 or higher running OSX (best on G5 dual with extra RAM) and a
> legit. dongle.

Okay I have a G4 400 mhz machine.

> There is some info. + downloads about how to do the tuning here:
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/midi_and_keyboard/pitch_bend.html

I'll check out the link.

> The limitation is that you can only use a max of 12 notes per octave at
> any one time via the tuning settings for your virtual instruments and
> pitch correction etc.
>
> The workaround is to bounce to audio for one tuning assignment, change
> the tuning settings, bounce other tracks for second/third/etc tuning
> assignments, then mix the various audio tracks.

Okay I was just planning to use a third party virtual synth like the Cantor thing from
virsyn.

But it is good to know that you you can retune Logics synths.

> The stated resolution is to nearest tenth of a cent.
>
> I am currently running Logic 7.0.1, which has a few bugs still, but
> there are workarounds.
>
> The main current limitation is that you can only run one sound card at
> a time as AU audio is set up at present, but it does surround sound
> perfectly, and is great for video/film sync using QuickTime video.
>
> But beware it has a STEEP learning curve.
>
> The many logic user groups are very responsive and helpful.

Okay.

> I'm have Logic installed on one G5 dual 2.0 MHz 4Gig Ram 250GB HD +
> 500GB outboard HD and two G4 400 MHz, which are all linked on a LAN +
> WiFi.
>
> You can sample, then throw away, all your old synths, samplers, efx
> boxes, filters etc. Logic makes them all obsolete.

What type of audio/midi interface/s are you using?

> To produce pro music, hardware required is a Mac G5 + good six or more
> channel sound card or similar + a midi in through a decent keyboard +
> useful item is a six or more channel mixer + microphones and electric
> and acoustic instruments + build/collect yourself a good sample
> library.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> It will even (horrors of horrors) microtune JI (if that's your bag) -;)

;-) I saw a drama about longitude Harrison. It was very interesting!

Thanks for your help.
Justin

>
>
>
> Charles Lucy - lucy@h...
> ------------ Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -------
> for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com
> for LucyTuned Lullabies go to http://www.lullabies.co.uk
> Buy/download/CD from: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/lucytuned2