bottle band (microtonal attempt #6)

Bottles are a great source of often free microtonality. Free if you live in a college dorm
with frequent partying. it's best i think to use rice or sand or mineral oil, but i used water,
and therefore the tuning is way off.

I present a rough draft of "Sentinel" for 21 bottles, 10 performers. Scale is an 11-note
MOS from 31-edo, step sizes 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2. Generator was a supermajor third. 7
up, 3 down, I believe. But you won't hear that! Though you might hear a relation between
the rhythm and the mode...

http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens

Not really.

very impressive. good players. I hear allot of potential in all this!

Jacob wrote:

>Bottles are a great source of often free microtonality. Free if you live in a college dorm >with frequent partying. it's best i think to use rice or sand or mineral oil, but i used water, >and therefore the tuning is way off.
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>I present a rough draft of "Sentinel" for 21 bottles, 10 performers. Scale is an 11-note >MOS from 31-edo, step sizes 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2. Generator was a supermajor third. 7 >up, 3 down, I believe. But you won't hear that! Though you might hear a relation between >the rhythm and the mode...
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>http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
>http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens
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>Not really.
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Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

On Thursday 24 February 2005 06:07 pm, Jacob wrote:
> Bottles are a great source of often free microtonality. Free if you live
> in a college dorm with frequent partying. it's best i think to use rice or
> sand or mineral oil, but i used water, and therefore the tuning is way off.
>
> I present a rough draft of "Sentinel" for 21 bottles, 10 performers. Scale
> is an 11-note MOS from 31-edo, step sizes 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2. Generator
> was a supermajor third. 7 up, 3 down, I believe. But you won't hear that!
> Though you might hear a relation between the rhythm and the mode...
>
> http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens

Jacob, I was trying to listen to this, but brown's server appears to be down.
Will try again later...

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.dividebypi.com

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@r...> wrote:
> ...
> I present a rough draft of "Sentinel" for 21 bottles, 10
performers. Scale is an 11-note
> MOS from 31-edo, step sizes 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2. Generator was a
supermajor third. 7
> up, 3 down, I believe. But you won't hear that! Though you might
hear a relation between
> the rhythm and the mode...
>
> http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens

Wow, impressive! How did you co-ordinate ten players at once -- or
was only you in ten passes?

I found this scale in 1978, when I was investigating the
possibilities offered by a 17-tone well-temperament I devised (and
which will be described in one of my articles in Xenharmonikon 18,
whenever[/if ever] it comes out). In 17 the generator is 6 degrees,
and the particular mode that I was interested in has the pattern
LSSLSSSLSSS. I my article I note that "the most useful division of
the octave other than 17 is given by L=5 and S=2, i.e., 31-ET with
the generating interval 20deg31" [the inversion of 11deg].

What I found most appealing about this scale is that it looks like a
promising source of 11-limit-non-5 harmony. It contains five
tempered 6:7:9:11 tetrads (built on the 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th, and 11th
tones of the scale, a nice feature being that the 1st and 7th tones
of the scale are a "fifth", ~2:3 apart). Each tone of the scale is a
member of at least one of these tetrads, and three scale tones (the
2nd, 6th, and 10th) are members of three tetrads, which offers plenty
of opportunities for common-tone chord progressions.

Thinking that 11 tones might be a bit much to digest in a musical
scale, I never did much of anything with it in 17, concentrating
instead on the 9-tone MOS scale generated by 2 degrees of 17
(containing three tempered 6:7:9:11:13 pentads).

--George

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:
> > ...
> > I present a rough draft of "Sentinel" for 21 bottles, 10
> performers. Scale is an 11-note
> > MOS from 31-edo, step sizes 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2. Generator was a
> supermajor third. 7
> > up, 3 down, I believe. But you won't hear that! Though you might
> hear a relation between
> > the rhythm and the mode...
> >
> > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens
>
> Wow, impressive! How did you co-ordinate ten players at once -- or
> was only you in ten passes?

This take was ten players covering eleven parts - and without a conductor! Consequently
there is some variety in the envelope of certain notes, something that could potentially
create a subtle counterpoint between individual pitches.

> I found this scale in 1978, when I was investigating the
> possibilities offered by a 17-tone well-temperament I devised...etc etc

> What I found most appealing about this scale is that it looks like a
> promising source of 11-limit-non-5 harmony. It contains five
> tempered 6:7:9:11 tetrads (built on the 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th, and 11th
> tones of the scale, a nice feature being that the 1st and 7th tones
> of the scale are a "fifth", ~2:3 apart). Each tone of the scale is a
> member of at least one of these tetrads, and three scale tones (the
> 2nd, 6th, and 10th) are members of three tetrads, which offers plenty
> of opportunities for common-tone chord progressions.

Funny thing, I actually found this by taking the six possible orderings of the intervals in 6:
7:9:11 and got a 9 note scale, then smoothed it out by splitting the 4deg31 intervals. I
didn't expect a MOS, though...

6:7:9:11 should have a name, I think. One that's less than seven syllables.

Anyhow, expect other movements (and a more accurately tuned gamut) in late March.

aren't there 24?

Jacob wrote:

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>Funny thing, I actually found this by taking the six possible orderings of the intervals in 6:
>7:9:11 and got a 9 note scale, then smoothed it out by splitting the 4deg31 intervals. I >didn't expect a MOS, though...
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>6:7:9:11 should have a name, I think. One that's less than seven syllables.
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>Anyhow, expect other movements (and a more accurately tuned gamut) in late March.
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--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Fantastic! Music is alive. I would love to hear more of your bottle
band music.

Wow, there are 10 people in a single college that play microtonal
music? Good news!

-Stetete

In response to Kraig, whoops, just the thirds. Six possible ways to stack 6:7, 7:9, and 9:
11.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Stevie Hryciw" <codroid@y...> wrote:
> Wow, there are 10 people in a single college that play microtonal
> music? Good news!

Let's just say there's a class/ensemble whose members I can force to be microtonal...so
long as they don't actually have to hear the pitch they're playing....

I think Jacob meant the six possible orderings of the three intervals
6:7, 7:9, and 9:11.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
> aren't there 24?
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> Jacob wrote:
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> >Funny thing, I actually found this by taking the six possible
orderings of the intervals in 6:
> >7:9:11 and got a 9 note scale, then smoothed it out by splitting
the 4deg31 intervals. I
> >didn't expect a MOS, though...
> >
> >6:7:9:11 should have a name, I think. One that's less than seven
syllables.
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> >Anyhow, expect other movements (and a more accurately tuned gamut)
in late March.
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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> --
> Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@r...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor"
<gdsecor@y...> wrote:
> > > ...
> > > [JB:]
> > > I present a rough draft of "Sentinel" for 21 bottles, 10
performers. Scale is an 11-note
> > > MOS from 31-edo, step sizes 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2. Generator
was a supermajor third. 7
> > > up, 3 down, I believe. But you won't hear that! Though you
might hear a relation between
> > > the rhythm and the mode...
> > >
> > > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> > > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens
> >
> ...
> > I found this scale in 1978, when I was investigating the
> > possibilities offered by a 17-tone well-temperament I
devised...etc etc

[Note: My description, following, refers to the LSSLSSSLSSS mode:]

> > What I found most appealing about this scale is that it looks
like a
> > promising source of 11-limit-non-5 harmony. It contains five
> > tempered 6:7:9:11 tetrads (built on the 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th, and
11th
> > tones of the scale, a nice feature being that the 1st and 7th
tones
> > of the scale are a "fifth", ~2:3 apart). Each tone of the scale
is a
> > member of at least one of these tetrads, and three scale tones
(the
> > 2nd, 6th, and 10th) are members of three tetrads, which offers
plenty
> > of opportunities for common-tone chord progressions.
>
> Funny thing, I actually found this by taking the six possible
orderings of the intervals in 6:
> 7:9:11 and got a 9 note scale, then smoothed it out by splitting
the 4deg31 intervals. I
> didn't expect a MOS, though...
>
> 6:7:9:11 should have a name, I think. One that's less than seven
syllables.

Yes, but what? Sub/neutral 7th chord?

I think the 11-limit-non-5 scale (14, 17, 31, 48 family) with
generator between 11:14 and 7:9 (~425 cents) should have a name,
too. As long as we have all those colorful names for 5- and 7-limit
families of temperaments, we ought to get non-5 on the list (and
perhaps generate more interest in both 17 and 31). Suggestions,
anyone? Paul, Gene?

> Anyhow, expect other movements (and a more accurately tuned gamut)
in late March.

Hey, go for it!

--George

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor"

> I think the 11-limit-non-5 scale (14, 17, 31, 48 family) with
> generator between 11:14 and 7:9 (~425 cents) should have a name,
> too. As long as we have all those colorful names for 5- and 7-
limit
> families of temperaments, we ought to get non-5 on the list (and
> perhaps generate more interest in both 17 and 31). Suggestions,
> anyone? Paul, Gene?

I suggest you ask Gene on the tuning-math list for a nice big survey
of 2-dimensional temperaments of {2,3,7,11}-JI (this may already have
been done and be in the archives of the tuning-math list -- I can't
recall for sure). Then maybe part 3 of my _Middle Path_ paper (the
one I'm sending part 1 of to everyone now) will cover this topic.
More important than naming, though, will be the new systems -- I'm
willing to bet that the survey will bring to your attention good
systems that you hadn't thought of before.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@r...> wrote:
> 6:7:9:11 should have a name, I think. One that's less than seven
syllables.

Best I can do is 7 syllables:

subminor neutral seventh (by analogy with minor major seventh)

At least it has a short abbreviation:

smN7

Jacob Barton wrote...
> > > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> > > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens

Drat, these links appear to be broken.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <ekin@l...> wrote:
> Jacob Barton wrote...
> > > > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> > > > http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens
>
> Drat, these links appear to be broken.
>
> -Carl

Thanks for noticing :! I moved off campus. Try

http://192.168.1.101/~jb/sentinel.mp3 or .ogg

Also still there are 3.3.mp3, circulatione.mp3, and the mildly
interesting "Reminiscence of Raisins" (reminiscence.mp3), an
electronic music exercize.

Jacob,

These URLs are still not good. 192.168.xxx.xxx is always an address that is strictly local to you.

- Dave

Jacob wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >>Jacob Barton wrote...
>>
>>>>>http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
>>>>>http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens
>>
>>Drat, these links appear to be broken.
>>
>>-Carl
> > > Thanks for noticing :! I moved off campus. Try
> > http://192.168.1.101/~jb/sentinel.mp3 or .ogg
> > Also still there are 3.3.mp3, circulatione.mp3, and the mildly
> interesting "Reminiscence of Raisins" (reminiscence.mp3), an
> electronic music exercize.
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > >

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Dave Seidel <dave@s...> wrote:
> Jacob,
>
> These URLs are still not good. 192.168.xxx.xxx is always an address
> that is strictly local to you.
>
> - Dave

Acchh. I guess I'll upload to my Fun with Xenharmonicity site. Though
if anyone wants that ogg, email me.

>
>
> Jacob wrote:
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >
> >>Jacob Barton wrote...
> >>
> >>>>>http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.ogg for believers
> >>>>>http://brown-1111.brown.rice.edu/~jb/sentinel.mp3 for heathens
> >>
> >>Drat, these links appear to be broken.
> >>
> >>-Carl
> >
> >
> > Thanks for noticing :! I moved off campus. Try
> >
> > http://192.168.1.101/~jb/sentinel.mp3 or .ogg
> >
> > Also still there are 3.3.mp3, circulatione.mp3, and the mildly
> > interesting "Reminiscence of Raisins" (reminiscence.mp3), an
> > electronic music exercize.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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