Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Congratulations to Kyle Gann on the ASCAP Deems Taylor Award for PostClassic

I read in Kyle's weblog today (http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/archives20041201.shtml#92255) that ASCAP gave him an award for his
PostClassic internet radio program, over at live360.com. Outstanding, and well deserved.

Kyle wrote in his blog today:

"Emerson's Law of Compensation

Hey, it's December, and Postclassic Radio's composer of the month is
Mikel Rouse! Tonight at Walter Reade Theater in New York City I'll be
receiving my ASCAP Deems Taylor Award for the station, along with Robin
Cox of Iridian Radio. I told ASCAP that the station was Robin's idea and
I stole it from him, and that he should get the award alone, but they
split it between us. It confirms what I've said all my life: you don't
get the things you deserve, but you get other things you don't deserve
instead, so it evens out. In college I got C's in the courses I deserved
A's in, and A's when I deserved C's. Something similar keeps happening.
My mother always called it Emerson's Law of Compensation.

posted by kgann @ Wednesday
"
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🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

🔗idealordid <jeff@...>

🔗Jonathan M. Szanto <JSZANTO@...>

Kyle! Prent!

(Kraig auctioned off some spare exclamation points earlier this year...)

{you wrote...}
>I read in Kyle's weblog today
>(http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/archives20041201.shtml#92255)
>that ASCAP gave him an award for his PostClassic internet radio program, >over at live360.com.

Woo-hoo: I'm actually waiting for the cable guy to show up. Sometime later today I'll be able to actually *listen* to this station, in all it's broadband glory.

Large congrats to Kyle, who knows better than to live on the other coast (see his blog...).

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Prent Rodgers <prentrodgers@...>

I don't have the details, but Kyle's station follows all the rules of
internet radio. He gets permission from composers and performers, he
follows the requirements of the law.

Did you know that all internet radio shows have to pay the performers,
unlike analog radio? or that the program has to be a minimum of 5
hours long? There are dozens of unique rules. It's bizzare.

The award is for taking the massive effort to follow the rules, and
still produce art. I think it's neat. See all the award winners here:
http://www.ascap.com/deemstaylor/archive.html

Prent

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "idealordid" <jeff@p...> wrote:
>
> Heh, I'm a little incredulous that a 'station' only extant for 2 or 3
> months gets a prestigious ASCAP new music promotion award?
>
> Heh and how typical.
>
> jeff harrington
> http://jeffharrington.org

🔗Jonathan M. Szanto <JSZANTO@...>

{you wrote...}
>The award is for taking the massive effort to follow the rules, and still >produce art.

Not to mention that it is accolades for the estimable personage who is curating the station playlist, whose broad and deep background in music of our time does a great service to composers and audiences alike. Kyle isn't some dorm rat who woke up one day and decided to make a radio station...

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Prent Rodgers <prentrodgers@...>

🔗idealordid <jeff@...>

Hehe... whatever. A bit defensive? I stand by what I posted. It's
amazing that a radio show of ANY type gets a prize after what 3
broadcasts? That's all I'm talking about.

The famous get more famous. He's a good critic; I don't agree with
many of his picks. He's a nice guy. I've drunk many a beer with him.
But nobody deserves a best radio show, no matter HOW great ;-) for 3
broadcasts. Jeez. That's just blatant back-patting by the
back-patters themselves! Let's all pat ourselves on the back.

A broadcast award should not be given until the show has been on the
air for at least 5 years. Period. Otherwise, how do we know it will
continue to be as good as it is.

This is just blatant croneyism.

jeff
http://jeffharrington.org

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Prent Rodgers"
<prentrodgers@c...> wrote:
>
> I agree. What he said.
>
> >- Kyle isn't
> > some dorm rat who woke up one day and decided to make a radio
station...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jon

🔗Jonathan M. Szanto <JSZANTO@...>

Jeff,

{you wrote...}
>But nobody deserves a best radio show, no matter HOW great ;-) for 3 >broadcasts. ... A broadcast award should not be given until the show has >been on the air for at least 5 years.

The Deems Taylor award is given out yearly. Philip Blackburn won a few years ago for his book on Partch. The award, from what I can tell, like similar recognitions, examines what has gone on in the previous recent period. Makes sense to me.

>This is just blatant croneyism.

Sound like someone wants to join Croneys, Inc. :)

Cheers,
Jon

🔗idealordid <jeff@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan M. Szanto"
<JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >But nobody deserves a best radio show, no matter HOW great ;-) for 3
> >broadcasts. ... A broadcast award should not be given until the
show has
> >been on the air for at least 5 years.
>

Hold on just a minute pardner! He got this show for his radio show,
not for a lifetime achievement. It's for Internet activity. You're
extrapolating.

> The Deems Taylor award is given out yearly. Philip Blackburn won a few
> years ago for his book on Partch. The award, from what I can tell, like
> similar recognitions, examines what has gone on in the previous recent
> period. Makes sense to me.
>
> >This is just blatant croneyism.
>
> Sound like someone wants to join Croneys, Inc. :)
>

Haha.

Main reason I quit the American Music Center and don't go to their
parties, etc anymore here in NYC, is cuz I find the whole scene
disgusting. What I want is my deserved recognition. Not be a part of
any group handing out awards. That's lame. Music matters.
Achievement matters. Giving Kyle an award for Internet work, on a
show that's been up for 3 broadcasts is a joke. It makes Dennis' and
David's award for New Music Bazaar into I don't know what.

I know you guys are going to fight me tooth and nail on this cuz this
is ultimately about getting on his show and getting written up.
Everybody that Kyle has ever written about or featured is going to
defend him to the death now. That's wanting to join the Croneys.

Accusing me of sour grapes, fine. I think I should be further along
in my career than I am and its not my fault. So there. But again,
giving an Internet award for 3 shows is a joke! That's all I'm
saying. You guys go on and pile it on for Kyle, if and when he ever
comes back here I'm sure he'll appreciate it. Cool. But let's get
real here. Take a step back from the brown nosing and look at an
Internet award honestly.

Three shows doth not an ASCAP Internet award merit. And his other
internet activities have not exactly been attention catching.

jeff
http://jeffharrington.org

🔗kylegann1955 <kgann@...>

Hello Guys,

Thanks for your comments. I said during my acceptance speech for the
ASCAP award that I really didn't deserve it, and that the whole thing
should have gone to Robin Cox, who started the first internet
new-music station, whom I imitated, and who nevertheless only shared
the award with me. Postclassic Radio
(http://www.live365.com/stations/kylegann) has been running
continuously since Sept. 4 - I don't know what this "only 3
broadcasts" thing is about. I agree I haven't done anything very
special, but I've been getting a lot of good feedback, and have aired
some microtonal music by Kraig Grady, Warren Burt, Prent Rogers, Neil
Haverstick, and others. Every year ASCAP has plenty of great books and
articles to choose from, but has a hell of a hard time finding
television programs, as well as web sites for their relatively new
internet award. They search around and choose something anyway,
because they feel they should encourage whatever they can in each
medium. (Kalvos and Damian won what I believe was the first internet
award, which I recommended them for.) I've told everyone who would
listen that the internet awards are still currently chosen from a very
small pool, and that it doesn't mean much. But I appreciate ASCAP's
attempt to encourage whatever they can find, and don't see why anyone
would charge them with cronyism for the award just because there
aren't a lot of sites to choose from yet. They hope, by giving the
award, to help change that. Fran Richard, who administrates the whole
thing, is as idealistic and honorable a person as I know of in the
music business.

While we're setting records straight, I once had a beer or two with
Jeff Harrington, not the "many a beer" he quotes, and he's got a big
pull-quote from me on the top of his page at
http://jeffharrington.org. The cronies are evidently not so
objectionable that one goes out of one's way to avoid them. :^D

Yours, lurking when you least expect it,

Kyle

🔗idealordid <jeff@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "kylegann1955" <kgann@e...> wrote:
>
> Hello Guys,
>
>
> While we're setting records straight, I once had a beer or two with
> Jeff Harrington, not the "many a beer" he quotes, and he's got a big
> pull-quote from me on the top of his page at
> http://jeffharrington.org. The cronies are evidently not so
> objectionable that one goes out of one's way to avoid them. :^D

Heh... yeah I guess that's right. Many a beer - I seem to remember 2
nights at OughtOne, but whatever. I had many a beer at OughtOne with
a lot of people. Burp. My point was that my comments weren't
directed at you personally - but at the process. And FWIW, I don't
consider you a cronie, and I will use every possible way I can to
promote myself on the Internet.

And now I will begin prostrating and clasping my hands together
praying in front of you in a most obvious way for your graces as I
walk out the door and quickly run to get a real world beer.

jeff
http://jeffharrington.org - new music
http://netnewmusic.net - new music portal
http://beepsnort.org - new music blog