Muzys... microtuning support

Hmm, I was looking again at VST hosts and I saw Muzys, which claims in its
blurb, "microtuning support". Has anyone tried it or know about it?

http://www.muzys.com/product.html

Thanks,
Rick

on 13/1/04 02:24, Rick McGowan at rick@... wrote:

> Hmm, I was looking again at VST hosts and I saw Muzys, which claims in its
> blurb, "microtuning support". Has anyone tried it or know about it?
>
> http://www.muzys.com/product.html
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
>

Hi Rick

this rings a bell

I used their excellent free sequencer and plug-in suite whilst waiting for
Cubase SX2. This must be their updated "pro" version. I'd recommend
contacting them by email as they were quite helpful on the phone. They're
not big enough yet (like Steinberg) to treat their customers like dirt.

The label "Alison Monteith" hathe been affixed to this message,
>on 13/1/04 02:24, Rick McGowan at rick@... wrote:

>> Hmm, I was looking again at VST hosts and I saw Muzys, which claims in its
>> blurb, "microtuning support". Has anyone tried it or know about it?

>> http://www.muzys.com/product.html

This is probably a bit lateish but... seeing as it seems to interest everyone
in here anyway...

http://www.virsyn.com/en/E_Home/E_CUBE_Preview/e_cube_preview.html

^...These guys
have implemented microtuning as well.
--
Ran out of Carbona. Mom threw out the glue
Ran out of paint and roach spray too.
It's TV's fault why I am this way
Mom and pop wanna put me away
{Ramones}

Rick Taylor wrote...

> http://www.virsyn.com/en/E_Home/E_CUBE_Preview/e_cube_preview.html
> ^...These guys
> have implemented microtuning as well.

I wrote to them and asked about what they suport in microtuning. The answer:

> CUBE 1.5 supports Scala compatible *.tun and *.scl files.
> Each of the 8 multitimbral parts can have a different tuning file !

Super news! So Virsyn's Cube 1.5 will be tuning-compatible with: Rhino (+
Rainbow & Angelina), VAZ Modular, VAZ 2010, Anamark, CronoX and Helios.
Anything else?

Maybe I should put together a page of all the VST synths that support
".tun" format.

Cheers,
Rick

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:
> Super news! So Virsyn's Cube 1.5 will be tuning-compatible with:
Rhino (+
> Rainbow & Angelina), VAZ Modular, VAZ 2010, Anamark, CronoX and
Helios.

And it can run on Mac OS X as an Audio Unit, so great news for Mac
users as well.

Paolo

>> Super news! So Virsyn's Cube 1.5 will be tuning-compatible with:
>> Rhino (+ Rainbow & Angelina), VAZ Modular, VAZ 2010, Anamark,
>> CronoX and Helios.
>
>And it can run on Mac OS X as an Audio Unit, so great news for Mac
>users as well.

And most importantly of all (to me), it's an additive synth. The
first VST one to my knowledge capable of resynthesis.

-Carl

A wonderful idea. If you do, could you include a column indicating whether
it works on Mac, Win, or both?

On 1/22/04 6:02 PM, "Rick McGowan" <rick@...> wrote:

> Maybe I should put together a page of all the VST synths that support
> ".tun" format.
>

According to this KVR-VST forum post, the Muzys internal synth does
support Scala:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30267&highlight=scala

Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Alison Monteith
<alison.monteith3@w...> wrote:
> on 13/1/04 02:24, Rick McGowan at rick@u... wrote:
>
> > Hmm, I was looking again at VST hosts and I saw Muzys, which
claims in its
> > blurb, "microtuning support". Has anyone tried it or know about
it?
> >
> > http://www.muzys.com/product.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick
> >
> >
>
> Hi Rick
>
> this rings a bell
>
> I used their excellent free sequencer and plug-in suite whilst
waiting for
> Cubase SX2. This must be their updated "pro" version. I'd recommend
> contacting them by email as they were quite helpful on the phone.
They're
> not big enough yet (like Steinberg) to treat their customers like
dirt.

Absolutely! The number of microtunable synth choices for Mac OS X
users is tinier than for Windows users. I'm all for making it easier
for fellow Mac OS X users to find something to use.

Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Stan Hoffman
<stanhoffman@m...> wrote:
> A wonderful idea. If you do, could you include a column indicating
whether
> it works on Mac, Win, or both?
>
>
> On 1/22/04 6:02 PM, "Rick McGowan" <rick@u...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe I should put together a page of all the VST synths that
support
> > ".tun" format.
> >

i don't think i've posted much actual music here, but in going over
files the other day, i found a nice one... in 88-CET.

thought i'd post:

http://www.pfly.net/misc/mp3/pfly.Zlo88.mp3

(someday pfly.net will be my main website.. but for now it's a messy
dumping ground for files...)

pfly

Paul,

{you wrote...}
>i don't think i've posted much actual music here, but in going over
>files the other day, i found a nice one... in 88-CET.

Excellent, wonderful! Is this piece generated like some of your earlier posts, which I believe were sketches and small widgets in Max/msp? From a listening standpoint, I don't care, but it is always interesting, in the sense...

...that with all the different tools for doing microtonal music, there are an awful lot of paths to the end. I know that many on the list have expressed frustration, and we've all chased down dead ends. But in looking at the chaos and messiness of the current 'state', it also allows for the variegated modes of work that I've watched, everything from simple retunings of traditional music to hands-on midi work to Csound scuplting to... all of it. Maybe it is a *good* thing that it is this hard.

Anyhow, you're music came at a good time, because I listened to it while reading an article about a new photographic exhibition opened here in town. I can't figure out if this artist has a *direct* linkage to artwork that Tom Waits has been using for a while, or if Waits is just styling it in a similar manner. But the 'otherness' of your 88-CET piece (using 'otherness' as a positive term) blended in a curious way with the images of Robert ParkeHarrison. If you're interested to see some of the images I happened to be seeing while listening, check out:

http://www.parkeharrison.com/

I enjoyed your sense of through-composed structure, a sort-of wandering through a changing landscape of soundsources, and the gradually evolving dynamics of it all.

A good way to start Sunday...

Cheers,
Jon

>i don't think i've posted much actual music here, but in going over
>files the other day, i found a nice one... in 88-CET.
>
>thought i'd post:
>
>http://www.pfly.net/misc/mp3/pfly.Zlo88.mp3

Trippy! I like it. I've always liked your stuff (I have Tongue
Box and Hexamorphic Conditions). It's definitely a level above
most "computer music" for me.

By the way Jon, that ParkeHarrison stuff is very provocative...
reminds me somehow of Andy Goldsworthy, though I have no idea
why.

-Carl

Carl,

{you wrote...}
> I've always liked your stuff (I have Tongue Box and Hexamorphic
> Conditions).

Guess I gotta go slumming through the pfly.net "archives"... :)

> It's definitely a level above most "computer music" for me.

I think so as well, but... why? (metaphorically asked, not requiring an answer) I mean, I know why it appeals to me, but most of my reasons relate to a lot of other forms of music. It appeals to me by it's 'musicality', for lack of better terminology.

> By the way Jon, that ParkeHarrison stuff is very provocative...
> reminds me somehow of Andy Goldsworthy, though I have no idea why.

Gad, Carl, so wild for you to make that connection at this time. I just got a book documenting Goldsworthy's work, after falling in love with his stuff in the documentary about him, "Rivers and Tides":

http://www.documentaryfilms.net/Reviews/RiversAndTides/

...with a nice minimalist score by Fred Frith. I'm really looking forward to seeing ParkeHarrison's work up close at the museum this week, and there is a lovely book about his photos entitled "The Architect's Brother":

http://www.twinpalms.com/ (search for the book in the index for a lovely spread of photos - their site is locked in frames so I can't provide a direct link).

Ahhh, getting OT here, but all three of the above people (Paul, Andy, and Robert...) have given us things to think about.

Cheers,
Jon

>> It's definitely a level above most "computer music" for me.
>
>I think so as well, but... why? (metaphorically asked, not requiring
>an answer) I mean, I know why it appeals to me, but most of my reasons
>relate to a lot of other forms of music. It appeals to me by it's
>'musicality', for lack of better terminology.

Yeah, I don't know of any better terminology myself.

>> By the way Jon, that ParkeHarrison stuff is very provocative...
>> reminds me somehow of Andy Goldsworthy, though I have no idea why.
>
>Gad, Carl, so wild for you to make that connection at this time. I
>just got a book documenting Goldsworthy's work, after falling in love
>with his stuff in the documentary about him, "Rivers and Tides":
>
>http://www.documentaryfilms.net/Reviews/RiversAndTides/
>
>...with a nice minimalist score by Fred Frith.

My ex-girlfriend turned me on to him a few years back, so the film was
a must-see. A great effort from Frith (he stays mostly in one of my
favorite of his modes, which I might call 'soup in 3'). And of course
I like Goldsworthy's work (and dig his pad!). But the most remarkable
thing for me was the cinematography. I don't know anything else by
Riedelsheimer, but this was an olympian accomplishment in my book.

>I'm really looking forward to
>seeing ParkeHarrison's work up close at the museum this week, and
>there is a lovely book about his photos entitled "The Architect's
>Brother":
>
>http://www.twinpalms.com/ (search for the book in the index for a lovely
>spread of photos - their site is locked in frames so I can't provide a
>direct link).

Thanks for tha tip.

-C.

oh! the replies to my Zlo88.mp3 post made my day.. thanks!

On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 10:40:08AM -0800, Jonathan M. Szanto wrote:
> Excellent, wonderful! Is this piece generated like some of your earlier
> posts, which I believe were sketches and small widgets in Max/msp? From a
> listening standpoint, I don't care, but it is always interesting, in the
> sense...

this one, actually, is pretty old -- "lost" and forgotten, and recently
rediscovered. i think i did it in 1996. the only tool i had then for
alternate tunings was a e-mu morpheus synth and manuel op coul's much
appreciated support for that synth for tuning dumps via sys ex midi --
which i think he made just because i mentioned it...

so i'd sysex dump a tuning table to the morpheus, then write music via
midi in cakewalk on a 486 computer blazing along at 66 mhz! not having
the ability to record audio to disc, i'd just have cakewalk midi-play the
morpheus and record it to cassete tape. those were the days... or not. :)

it was tricky, i remember, trying to write music with the morpheus retuned,
but midi notes still being called and scored /piano roll scored in cakewalk
as if they were in 12-tet. lots of trial and error.

i'm glad the mp3 was appreciated.

and in reply to other posts -- pfly.net is a mess, a 'slum', definitely.
i am working on making it my main website. but for now it is more of a
"file dump". everything else is over at www.neuron.net/~pfly -- although it
need of updating. mp3s at 112 kbps? what is this, 1997? ...oh yea,
it was.... :)

for anyone bored and wanting to wander another 'filedump', there *might* be
an interesting file or 2 at seattle.gii.net/~pfly or www.neuron.net/~spigot ..
but as filedumps, they change a lot and i can't recall what is up there now...

thanks y'all, now i go to bed and dream of comma pumps. :)
paul