Vsampler with MTS?

Hello all,
I think Vsampler3 beta is looking to be one superb program.
It is available as standalone, VSTi, and DXi.
I think it is the most significant program out there presently in that
it accepts virtually every sampler format, and does program
and bank select!(Kontakt does NOT do this). The only thing missing
is microtonal support.
I think if we all requested adding MTS to their feature list,
they may concur, and we may finally all concentrate on composing
music instead of the technology.
Please post your requests at-
http://www.vsampler.com/english/forum.html

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "vquestor" <vquestor@y...>
wrote:
> Hello all,
> I think Vsampler3 beta is looking to be one superb program.
> It is available as standalone, VSTi, and DXi.
> I think it is the most significant program out there presently in
that
> it accepts virtually every sampler format, and does program
> and bank select!(Kontakt does NOT do this). The only thing missing
> is microtonal support.
> I think if we all requested adding MTS to their feature list,
> they may concur, and we may finally all concentrate on composing
> music instead of the technology.
> Please post your requests at-
> http://www.vsampler.com/english/forum.html
Look under "Using Vsampler" forum, and there is already a topic by
Makossa called "Microtonal tuning?"

Hi,

{you wrote...}
>I think it is the most significant program out there presently in that it >accepts virtually every sampler format, and does program and bank >select!(Kontakt does NOT do this). The only thing missing is microtonal >support.

I'll wait til I demo it until I believe it's the *only* thing missing!

>I think if we all requested adding MTS to their feature list, they may >concur, and we may finally all concentrate on composing music instead of >the technology.

I will consider sending both a request on the forum as well as an 'official' request directly to the developer after I've tried the demo and see if it is up to snuff. However...

We frequently get people that want to build a groundswell of support for microtonal features in both soft- and hardware. One need only take a moment to think about the fact that, even if it may seem to be a smallish matter to add this functionality, it still requires effort, thought, programmer time, debugging, etc. etc. And the *only* way that something like that pays off for the developer is if the features implemented actually translate into sales/registrations. It does them no good whatsoever to go through the motions only to see this (allegedly) large group of people clammoring for an obscure feature never show up to pay for the thing.

I am more than willing to push the envelope, but I haven't seen, through people posting what they use for making microtonal music *electronically*, a staggering number of people using these programs. I've recently purchased both the LinPlug CronoX as well as the rgc z3ta+ and am very happy with them so far. I definitely need to add a sampler as well, and as Alison noted recently the micro support is either minimal or non-existant. But I'd really love to see a show of hands for something like:

"OK folks, here is a cutting-edge soft-sampler that sounds great, is easy to program, performs very musically, AND supports microtonal tunings - how many of you want to pony up the money for one?"

Sometimes you have to step up to the plate. I'll demo VSampler and see if it meets my needs, even if I have to test it in 12tet; if it works for me I'll start stumping.

(BTW, it kind of galls me to see them put a bunch of time into something like skins, which has *nothing* to do with how it works or sounds, but is simply eye candy - I want a musical instrument, not some cool flavor-of-the-month window dressing. If they put that much time into microtonal programming it would already exist! [end of rant])

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan M. Szanto"
<JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >I think it is the most significant program out there presently in
that it
> >accepts virtually every sampler format, and does program and bank
> >select!(Kontakt does NOT do this). The only thing missing is
microtonal
> >support.
>
> I'll wait til I demo it until I believe it's the *only* thing
missing!
>
> >I think if we all requested adding MTS to their feature list, they
may
> >concur, and we may finally all concentrate on composing music
instead of
> >the technology.
>
> I will consider sending both a request on the forum as well as an
> 'official' request directly to the developer after I've tried the
demo and
> see if it is up to snuff. However...
>
> We frequently get people that want to build a groundswell of
support for
> microtonal features in both soft- and hardware. One need only take
a moment
> to think about the fact that, even if it may seem to be a smallish
matter
> to add this functionality, it still requires effort, thought,
programmer
> time, debugging, etc. etc. And the *only* way that something like
that pays
> off for the developer is if the features implemented actually
translate
> into sales/registrations. It does them no good whatsoever to go
through the
> motions only to see this (allegedly) large group of people
clammoring for
> an obscure feature never show up to pay for the thing.

Jon,
First off, I don't recommend ground swells lightly.
I think after you check out Vsampler3beta, you will agree with me.

Secondly, the current Vsampler Pro edition only costs $90.00!!!
If it also had REAL TIME MTS capability, who WOULDN'T buy it?

Thirdly, Vsampler is a very receptive company to user feedback,
and they want to make sure their next version(3)is as bug free as
possible beforing releasing a commercial version. Maz is a highly
respected programmer.

Fourthly, what have we got to lose by begging for MTS capability?
It would only add uniqueness to their product, and enhance their
selling points.

Fifthly, I'm sure all members here would love to beta test such
a thing!!

> I am more than willing to push the envelope, but I haven't seen,
through
> people posting what they use for making microtonal music
*electronically*,
> a staggering number of people using these programs. I've recently
purchased
> both the LinPlug CronoX as well as the rgc z3ta+ and am very happy
with
> them so far. I definitely need to add a sampler as well, and as
Alison
> noted recently the micro support is either minimal or non-existant.
But I'd
> really love to see a show of hands for something like:
>
> "OK folks, here is a cutting-edge soft-sampler that sounds great,
is easy
> to program, performs very musically, AND supports microtonal
tunings - how
> many of you want to pony up the money for one?"

> Sometimes you have to step up to the plate. I'll demo VSampler and
see if
> it meets my needs, even if I have to test it in 12tet; if it works
for me
> I'll start stumping.
>
> (BTW, it kind of galls me to see them put a bunch of time into
something
> like skins, which has *nothing* to do with how it works or sounds,
but is
> simply eye candy - I want a musical instrument, not some cool
> flavor-of-the-month window dressing. If they put that much time
into
> microtonal programming it would already exist! [end of rant])

I agree with you about the skins.
Also, I am just as frustrated as you when it comes to software.
But, this thing MAY change all that.
LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!

>
> Cheers,
> Jon

Hello Vq,

{you wrote...}
>First off, I don't recommend ground swells lightly. I think after you >check out Vsampler3beta, you will agree with me.

Sounds fair enough, and I didn't mean to single you out for doing this kind of promotion. If *no one* were to request stuff, it wouldn't happen!

>Secondly, the current Vsampler Pro edition only costs $90.00!!! If it also >had REAL TIME MTS capability, who WOULDN'T buy it?

I agree that it appears to be very value-packed, given the prices of decent softsamplers. As for who *wouldn't*, I've been around the various micro forums to know that the number of people with dedicated computer-based music systems is somewhat small. I only gave my thoughts as to how realistic it is (or isn't) to expect everyone to plunk down the cash. We'll see...

>Thirdly, Vsampler is a very receptive company to user feedback, and they >want to make sure their next version(3)is as bug free as possible beforing >releasing a commercial version. Maz is a highly respected programmer.

Excellent. Can I take it, then, that you've already had direct contact with him?

>Fourthly, what have we got to lose by begging for MTS capability? It would >only add uniqueness to their product, and enhance their selling points.

Nothing, I suppose, but some of us might get tired of asking for this or that only to see nothing happen. Which *has* been the case, at least in some cases.

>Fifthly, I'm sure all members here would love to beta test such a thing!!

See my note about the few numbers of people operating with soft setups.

>Also, I am just as frustrated as you when it comes to software. But, this >thing MAY change all that. LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!

OK. I downloaded the demo last night but frankly, I've got so much playing in the next few days that I won't be able to install and test until next week.

Cheers,
Jon

Hi everyone

Regarding the lack of microtonal possibilities in new generation
softsamplers, Rhino has a feature that might offer a solution. I quote from
the UK "Computer Music " magazine : -

"With it's most recent upgrade, Rhino allows the user to import samples to
be resynthesised as additive waveshapes."

I don't have Rhino but could this mean that you can set up your samples in,
say, one of NI's products, drop them into Rhino, tweak them if needed and
tune them via Scala? This is what the quote suggests, and if anyone can
verify that this works then we could have a nice solution as we wait for NI
and others to offer microtonal support.

Any thoughts?

Regards
a.m.

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Probably, the answer is "No".

Rhino isn't a sampler. Not at all. It does have the ability to synthesize
additive waveforms for use in its FM model, given a set of harmonic
partials with phase information.

It also allows you to "import" one cycle of a waveform from a .WAV file,
and from that it extracts the Fourier transform, and then you can edit the
amplitude & phase of the first 32 harmonic partials.

Rick

Alison Monteith wrote...

> Hi everyone
>
> Regarding the lack of microtonal possibilities in new generation
> softsamplers, Rhino has a feature that might offer a solution. I quote from
> the UK "Computer Music " magazine : -
>
> "With it's most recent upgrade, Rhino allows the user to import samples to
> be resynthesised as additive waveshapes."
>
> I don't have Rhino but could this mean that you can set up your samples in,
> say, one of NI's products, drop them into Rhino, tweak them if needed and
> tune them via Scala? This is what the quote suggests, and if anyone can
> verify that this works then we could have a nice solution as we wait for NI
> and others to offer microtonal support.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards
> a.m.
>

on 29/8/03 20:32, Rick McGowan at rick@... wrote:

Probably, the answer is "No".

Rhino isn't a sampler. Not at all. It does have the ability to synthesize
additive waveforms for use in its FM model, given a set of harmonic
partials with phase information.

I know Rhino's not a sampler. My point was that from the statement it seemed
like you could import samples then retune them.

It also allows you to "import" one cycle of a waveform from a .WAV file,
and from that it extracts the Fourier transform, and then you can edit the
amplitude & phase of the first 32 harmonic partials.

Well, that's quite clear now. Thanks.

Regards
a.m.

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