RE: [MMM] a special treat: new music for you all

someone who wastes so much time posting moslems-suck messages to metatuning
should hardly complain about people who would rather spend their time
discussing science, art and truth. Yes, everyone here I'm sure enjoys
playing with all the neat technology thats available, but not necessarily
everyone feels the need to record their doodlings and publish them on the
internet right away.

Instead of following your prescription (download new program---->plunk for
five minutes----->record---->publish to internet---->tell everyone about
it), some people spend years or decades learning their craft and striving
for the highest. Just because they do not upload new mp3s every day does not
mean they are not working.

Dante

Jeff,

OK, I'm coming close to the end of my personal rope. I hope for clarity on this issue - the reason MMM exists and how it runs - and yesterday I thought it was all going to be just fine with you. Let me just settle a couple of issues.

{you wrote...}
>Now I know that we like to talk a lot about how this group is not just any
>group but it is a very particular group because it has rules and these rules
>are posted on the front page and we must obey the rules...

And the rest of it. Yep, it's all there. You can like it or not, and there are probably millions of places that work in other ways that you could check out. I spent a good bit of time, in conjunction with my two colleagues, thinking up a preamble that would give me a *fair* way to have a sensible dialogue without huge blow-ups and name-calling and the like. It has worked pretty well.

Yes, I'd like it if people followed those guidelines, and I don't think it is too much to ask.

As for people making music, I allow them to do that on their own time and on their own schedule. If the discussions happen to assist them in making music, and they take their sweet time about it, I don't have a problem. We exist to facilitate the act of creating new microtonal music, but there is no minimum amount of posting or timeframe anyone need follow.

>we hear now how Jon had the idea to create a group about making micro >music which is of course not really true. Jon's idea was to create a list >which was the same
>as the other one but in which one single person would be banned from >posting and that was a very desirable thing to most all of the people.

Jeff, that is not only completely false but hurtful. This list was started, upfront, with certain guidelines, and no one was kept from joining. If anyone wants to, they can join, and only behavior that reduces a positive s/n ratio on the list, as well as personal insults, will give me pause to remove a member.

To date, this has happened once: a person came and started spamming about a non-micro band, totally inappropriate. They were gone. That is it.

>So I am going to post an example.

I'll give it a listen.

>I used that free FM7 synth demo to write a little piece of music. I did >not use a midi keyboard or a sequencer. No MIDI was attached to this >computer during this piece.

Gee, that's great. I've tried two nights now to find a host sequencing application to use that charming FM7 module so that I can have even the remotest experience of hitting a key and hearing a sound sometime before I grow a beard (that is a bit of an exaggeration, but the latency issue is still a big one. I almost thought about taping what it sounds like, where you can hear two sounds: my finger tapping the key, and then the sound coming after that). To a person who has spent his life refining rhythmic ability, this doesn't work for me.

I haven't given up. I've also decided to work on it a bit and experiment before I blather to the list about how it completely doesn't work.

>And so you can hear an example, here it is, using an ethnic Thai scale:
>
>http://www.nonoctave.com/thai1.mp3

Downloading now. Why don't you take some time and think about what I've written.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...>
wrote:
> on 1/9/03 6:43 AM, Dante Rosati wrote:
>
> > not necessarily
> > everyone feels the need to record their doodlings and publish
them on the
> > internet right away.
>
> But its been ten years Dante. When will you have something ready?

dante has posted some of the most beautiful microtonal music i've
ever heard. obviously you've missed a lot in the last 10 years, yet
you seem to store a vast quantity of second-hand bs about the tuning
list in that mind of yours . . . time to rethink, i think . . .

Jon Szanto --

> I've tried two nights now to find a host sequencing
> application to use that charming FM7 module

Try VAZ Modular 2.5 available at www.software-technology.com. I think you can use the "insert" in a channel to insert an FM7 instance, even in the demos. Create a new synth on a channel of the VAZ mixer, and just leave it empty. Then use "insert" and insert an FM7, then the "E" button to edit the FM7 params.

Rick

Jeff,

{you wrote...}
>on 1/9/03 11:24 AM, Jonathan M. Szanto wrote:
>
> > Gee, that's great. I've tried two nights now to find a host sequencing
> > application to use that charming FM7 module
>
>Jon - its got a standalone mode. You don't need a host. It's completely self
>contained. It's got the plugin mode too if you want closer integration with
>the sequencer.

And you show that you are spectacularly mis-reading my posts, and wanting us all to work the way you do. I want to use a sequencer to create a piece of music that has multiple parts, recorded in multiple passes, with differing patches so I can achieve a semblance of interesting instrumentation. That it works in the stand-alone mode, and that one can play it that way to hear sounds, took me all of one minute to figure out. Had I wanted to release the results of playing with the different patches, in the mode of uploading an mp3, I could have done dozens of them. I wouldn't have called it making music.

I just happen to make music a different way, one that currently I'm not able to with FM7. It may come about. I'll give it some time.

>I'm not dissing these people, I'm giving them needed and helpful direction >that the day is coming when you'll be too old or too arthritic or too weak >to write
>music and it will be too late then.

Your idea of helpful and needed direction is to call people names; your methods of encouragement will find few, if any, takers unless you take some time off and reflect a little about what you've posted in the last couple of days.

And I'll answer your other email, privately, in a moment.

Regards,
Jon

Rick,

{you wrote...}
>Try VAZ Modular 2.5 available at www.software-technology.com. I think you >can use the "insert" in a channel to insert an FM7 instance, even in the >demos. Create a new synth on a channel of the VAZ mixer, and just leave it >empty. Then use "insert" and insert an FM7, then the "E" button to edit >the FM7 params.

Thanks, but I don't think that will help! I've got the demo of VAZ, but what I'm looking for is a sequencing program that drive this soft synths on independent tracks, just like I sequence with my hardware rack and loads of midi and audio cables. I've gotten the FM7 to work in at least two hosted scenarios, but they are...

...pattern sequencers! (for instance, Fruity Loops)

I don't write music (at least this time around) that is an assemblage of patterns. I want to record tracks to click, and build up layers of a composition. I *need* one that works like that, and I'm going to install the demo of Sonar tonight.

But, thanks anyhow! (and let me know if I somehow missed non-pattern sequencing in VAZ)

Cheers,
Jon

> I want to record tracks to click, and build up layers of a > composition. I *need* one that works like that, and I'm going to install > the demo of Sonar tonight.

Ah, now I get it. I work differently. I do this by using Finale to write the score, then just play it back through VAZ or the TX802 or whatever. Sounds like you're working with building up a piece by directly playing it yourself and combining multiple tracks.

Rick