Help with midi dumps, scala, psr-530

Hi, I am out of school now and ready to work through
software :) I have figured out how to use scala for
the most part but I am having trouble dumping it into
my synth. I own a yamaha psr-530 which is one the XG
ones. I set it up for the XG series and I have the
midi connected and functioning, I hit send and nothing
happens :( I found today that one can adjust tuning on
the synth via + or - 64 cents from the 12-tone equal
tempered scale in the box. Is it possible to load a
scale into this, do I need to use FTS instead? I
familiar with midi but have never bothered to learn
patch dumps, sysex or anything like that. Any help
getting this to work is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Todd

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I do have a usb midi box, but Megamid works fine. I can play midi
files through it no problem. I have it set to the right port on both
scala and megamid. Do I need something like midiyoke to connect
megamid and scala? I will try to see if I can have scala send midi
info to the synth via the chromatic keyboard or something... we'll see

todd

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "jacky_ligon" <jacky_ligon@y...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., manuel.op.de.coul@e... wrote:
> > >I downloaded megamid just for fun and opened it. Still
> > >nothing happens.
> >
> > Hmm, are you sure you've set the output device to the
> > midi interface like I said? In Megamid, click on the
> > Setup button to see what it is. Play a music midi
> > file with it, do you hear anything?
> > Then carefully read the documentation, in case you've
> > forgotten.
> >
> > Manuel
>
> Friends - If I remember correctly, Megamid has never been able to
see
> my USB midi port.
>
> If you wish to flawlessly send your tunings to a synth, and have it
> work properly, create a midi file with Scala using first the "Set
> Synth", then the "Send/File" command. Import this midi file into
your
> midi sequencer - like Cakewalk Sonar, Cubase, etc - slow the tempo
> down on the sequencer, and play the file to your board. This works
> without fail every time for me.
>
> J:L

I wasn't actually sending it any sequences per say, I was just trying
to dump a scale from scala. Or is that what your speaking of? I
didn't think that they have bpms?

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "jacky_ligon" <jacky_ligon@y...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "booeyschewy" <booeyschewy@y...> wrote:
> Do I need something like midiyoke to connect
> > megamid and scala?
>
> Todd,
>
> No - if your megamid is seeing your port, then the midi should pass
> through to the keyboard.
>
> One thing to keep in mind, is that some synths like to have sysx
sent
> to them more slowly than others. The TX81Z is a great example of
> this. If you send the midi to fast - which *is* tied to the tempo
of
> the sequencer, then some synths will choke and not be tuned
correctly.
>
> Try sending the midi slowly - like @ 16 BPM.
>
>
> J:L

On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 07:50 , MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: Re: Help with midi dumps, scala, psr-530
>
> Todd wrote:
>> It is strange the manual allows for other tunings and I have manually
>> entered the ones via adjusting the cent distance from equal for each
>> note, but outside of that it doesn't say much of anything. Might it
>> be listed somewhere strange amongst the sysex compatibility data?
>
> Yes is there anything about XG parameter change? Which addresses
> are supported. I doubt it that slowing midi down will help, because
> it's only one sysex message.
> Otherwise other things could be wrong, like memory protection is
> on, or the XG system is off, or the device number is not right
> (should be the lowest one). Check everything in the manual that
> you think might be related.
>
> Joseph, MTS is the MIDI Tuning Standard, it's indeed a kind of
> sysex message. More about the Proteus 2000 later.
>
> Manuel

Hi Todd, Manuel, Sorry I missed this - I used to have a PSR-530. And it does support SysEx Parameter changes of the Scale Tuning. I don't have the manual anymore (nor the keyboard), but if you look through the SysEx chart, you'll find a list of the notes Cthrough B.

There's a site at Yamaha that deals with this too. Look here: <http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/h_help.htm>

Should help come to grips with XG.

Cheers,
Joel

ok so it will accept the sysex change then? Am I supposed to have a
sysex program open, or just megamid.exe and scala?

thanks, todd

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Joel Rodrigues <joelrodrigues@m...> wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 07:50 ,
> MakeMicroMusic@y... wrote:
>
> > Re: Re: Help with midi dumps, scala, psr-530
> >
> > Todd wrote:
> >> It is strange the manual allows for other tunings and I have
manually
> >> entered the ones via adjusting the cent distance from equal for
each
> >> note, but outside of that it doesn't say much of anything. Might
it
> >> be listed somewhere strange amongst the sysex compatibility data?
> >
> > Yes is there anything about XG parameter change? Which addresses
> > are supported. I doubt it that slowing midi down will help,
because
> > it's only one sysex message.
> > Otherwise other things could be wrong, like memory protection is
> > on, or the XG system is off, or the device number is not right
> > (should be the lowest one). Check everything in the manual that
> > you think might be related.
> >
> > Joseph, MTS is the MIDI Tuning Standard, it's indeed a kind of
> > sysex message. More about the Proteus 2000 later.
> >
> > Manuel
>
> Hi Todd, Manuel, Sorry I missed this - I used to have a PSR-530.
> And it does support SysEx Parameter changes of the Scale Tuning.
> I don't have the manual anymore (nor the keyboard), but if you
> look through the SysEx chart, you'll find a list of the notes
> Cthrough B.
>
> There's a site at Yamaha that deals with this too. Look here:
> <http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/h_help.htm>
>
> Should help come to grips with XG.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel

On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 03:13 , MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> manuel.op.de.coul@...
>
> If Todd B. is still reading, I've heard that some XG synths
> don't respond to sysex messages which contain a tuning of more
> than one note, in particular the Yamaha PSR-9000.
> Since Scala puts all 12 key-tuning pairs in one sysex
> message, this could be a problem.

Yup ! One System Exclusive message per note for scale tuning messages.

> Apparently Yamaha makes
> instruments that don't conform to their own standard.
> So, you could try putting together the sysex messages
> yourself, using the utilities mf2t and t2mf which are
> supplied with Scala. Perhaps putting a small delta time
> in between each message is a good idea.
> You can find the XG spec on the internet somewhere, don't
> have a link at hand.

I posted something a while ago that may be handy:

'...look through the SysEx chart, you'll find a list of the notes Cthrough B.

There's a site at Yamaha that deals with this too. Look here:
<http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/h_help.htm>'

> Then look for parameter addresses 41H to 4CH.
>
> Manuel

-Joel