Wow, ok...

At 01:40 PM 5/19/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Dan:
>Years later this mix turned
>up on an unlabeled cassette--at first I didn't know *who* it even was,
>it had been that long and was that much of a surprise!
>Anyway, the difficult thing for Jacky was that I gave him a nearly
>complete, dense tune with no hope of separating anything out, this is
>a less than gracious way to work--and that's an understatement!

I'm on the digest, so I didn't see this before writing my previous post... This bit of info certainly does cast a new spin on critiquing the remix. I heard some crackly artifacts in the mix and thought that Jacky was grabbing samples from records, but it could have been from the tape itself. ;)

Well, good job Jacky! I am interested in discussing your use of panning though and other spatial effects; something that does come up in a lot of your work. There was a lot of movement in the mix.

Justin:
>Thanks Graham I have listened again and it is not the same
each time. So it is not an atifact I am hearing. Turning the mp3
player down did indeed help.

I gave it another listen under appropriate conditions. It seems that the piano part at the following times gave small glitches.
piano :47 -- :51
piano 1:55
piano 4:24, 4:28

>Yep, once I get my amp made I will concentrate on this. Devote
more tim to mastering that is. I tend not to use many
affects/reverb if any. Perhaps it is time to have a play in that
arena.

Then again fewer people create dry mixes. It seems to be much more difficult to create an excellent dry mix than a wet one. :)

Best,
--Mike

Egregious
"Spiritual renewal through music for those outside the heard."
http://www.egregious.net/

Mike,

{you wrote...}
>Then again fewer people create dry mixes. It seems to be much more >difficult to create an excellent dry mix than a wet one. :)

Yep. And it's also hard to *play* well in a very dry acoustic, if you are performing live. It can happen, but your ears have to be really sharp to get good ensemble and blend.

Cheers,
Jon

Hi Mike,

There was quite a bit of turntable on the original tape I sent Jacky,
that mixed with live instruments and some tapes and other stuff as
well... and to further compound things, one of the tricks I'd learned
early on working with turntables was that if I doubled a track, I
could ride the speed knob on the deck during both takes achieving
incredibly surreal and wayyy microtonal phasing effects. These are
extreme but very organic as well (as they're interactive and never
predictably patternistic). The trick is to do it so as to create the
illusion of say a car moving next to you at a stop light when you
think it's standing still thereby disturbing your equilibrium while at
the same time keeping the *rhythmic* phasing and related delay effects
cool--i.e, not goofy!

Perhaps I'll put up a copy of the track I sent Jacky before he
finished it somewhere to better show what I mean... or maybe I'll put
up the Turntable Quartet which was partially composed to better study
this phenomena.

Anyway, I used this a lot, but generally with other live instruments
and a boatload of other stuff too, so it's often difficult to tell
exactly what's going on (I know).

take care,

--Dan Stearns

----- Original Message -----
From: "Catharsis" <catharsis@...>
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: [MMM] Wow, ok...

> At 01:40 PM 5/19/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> Dan:
> >Years later this mix turned
> >up on an unlabeled cassette--at first I didn't know *who* it even
was,
> >it had been that long and was that much of a surprise!
> >Anyway, the difficult thing for Jacky was that I gave him a nearly
> >complete, dense tune with no hope of separating anything out, this
is
> >a less than gracious way to work--and that's an understatement!
>
> I'm on the digest, so I didn't see this before writing my previous
post...
> This bit of info certainly does cast a new spin on critiquing the
remix. I
> heard some crackly artifacts in the mix and thought that Jacky was
grabbing
> samples from records, but it could have been from the tape itself.
;)
>
> Well, good job Jacky! I am interested in discussing your use of
panning
> though and other spatial effects; something that does come up in a
lot of
> your work. There was a lot of movement in the mix.
>
> Justin:
> >Thanks Graham I have listened again and it is not the same
> each time. So it is not an atifact I am hearing. Turning the mp3
> player down did indeed help.
>
> I gave it another listen under appropriate conditions. It seems that
the
> piano part at the following times gave small glitches.
> piano :47 -- :51
> piano 1:55
> piano 4:24, 4:28
>
> >Yep, once I get my amp made I will concentrate on this. Devote
> more tim to mastering that is. I tend not to use many
> affects/reverb if any. Perhaps it is time to have a play in that
> arena.
>
> Then again fewer people create dry mixes. It seems to be much more
> difficult to create an excellent dry mix than a wet one. :)
>
> Best,
> --Mike
>
>
> Egregious
> "Spiritual renewal through music for those outside the heard."
> http://www.egregious.net/
>
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