Re: [MMM] Re: [JustIntonation] Comparative Tuning of Debussy?s Arabesque No. 1.

Hi Daniel ~
I tend to agree with you although it often highlights the nature of a tuning and not as a replacement.One can treat it more in the spirit of fun that producing serious results. It is play where accidents happen so it might become serious despite .

It is all premature in that the ear could care less about practical limitations. In example traditions build up certain intonational practices in certain instances and a composers inner ear could go in and out of these without restrictions or even conciously. One would need to know more than we might ever be able to. Maybe with a composer like Bach we can know what type of accidentals he will use moving in only direction that might gives us a consistant choice, but as music became more sectionalized, it seems to my ear, the ear shifts likewise.

Prsonally it has been safer to test the intonation of a chord more than a whole moving piece of music. regardless one has no way of really telling if one is hearing is like another. And honestly can't say i have ever used the result which might be the strongest point you imply.

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From: Daniel Forr? [mailto:dan.for@...]
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Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: [JustIntonation] Comparative Tuning of Debussy?s Arabesque No. 1.

Somehow I don't see much sense in trying different temperaments and
tunings with music written for common 12 tone ET :-)

Daniel Forro

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Hi Daniel,

I agree with all Kraig has said. Usually I keep such explorations to
myself. I used to be quite skeptical of these cross-tuning experiments -
sometimes something truly horrific is the overall result. In this case
though I became enamored with cross-tuning this piece in Gene's Locomotive
tuning - it had, for me, many happy accidents, and Margo's Indigo 12,
again, had even more happy accidents. I do think on the positive side you
get a flavor of what a tuning might be able to do, but it is a rare piece
of music that retains its musicality after cross-tuning.

Best Regards,

Chris

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM, <kraiggrady@...> wrote:

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>
>
> Hi Daniel ~
> I tend to agree with you although it often highlights the nature of a
> tuning and not as a replacement.One can treat it more in the spirit of fun
> that producing serious results. It is play where accidents happen so it
> might become serious despite .
>
> It is all premature in that the ear could care less about practical
> limitations. In example traditions build up certain intonational practices
> in certain instances and a composers inner ear could go in and out of these
> without restrictions or even conciously. One would need to know more than
> we might ever be able to. Maybe with a composer like Bach we can know what
> type of accidentals he will use moving in only direction that might gives
> us a consistant choice, but as music became more sectionalized, it seems to
> my ear, the ear shifts likewise.
>
> Prsonally it has been safer to test the intonation of a chord more than a
> whole moving piece of music. regardless one has no way of really telling if
> one is hearing is like another. And honestly can't say i have ever used the
> result which might be the strongest point you imply.
>
> '''''''North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> '''''''South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Forr? [mailto:dan.for@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 07:59 PM
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: [JustIntonation] Comparative Tuning of Debussy?s
> Arabesque No. 1.
>
> Somehow I don't see much sense in trying different temperaments and
> tunings with music written for common 12 tone ET :-)
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Hi, Chris,

creativity, invention, research, desire to try everything and to find something new or interesting is a great attitude! Even when we find something what was found before or what doesn't work well. It's an adventure and fun. That's important. Just continue and let us know.

All the best!

Daniel Forro

On 29 Mar, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Chris Vaisvil wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> I agree with all Kraig has said. Usually I keep such explorations to
> myself. I used to be quite skeptical of these cross-tuning > experiments -
> sometimes something truly horrific is the overall result. In this case
> though I became enamored with cross-tuning this piece in Gene's > Locomotive
> tuning - it had, for me, many happy accidents, and Margo's Indigo 12,
> again, had even more happy accidents. I do think on the positive > side you
> get a flavor of what a tuning might be able to do, but it is a rare > piece
> of music that retains its musicality after cross-tuning.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Chris