Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Self Similar Study in E Mixo

https://www.box.com/s/g6313n63yhhl0cbubdtt

This is worth hearing, and I'm *really* happy with it considering that it only took a day and a half of easy work.

The idea is to test the self-similar idea before doing something more ambitious.

My old 36-note JI scale quantized to 87 EDO.

Number series it's based on. (Find the self-similarity!)

6,3,11,5,10,9,13,0,1,7,2,4,8,12

Scored for PianoTech piano sound with a little harp, bell, string, and marimba.

basis of tuning: 1/1, 16/15, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10, 10/9, 9/8, 8/7, 7/6, 32/27, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, 14/11, 9/7, 4/3, 15/11, 11/8, 7/5, 10/7, 16/11, 22/15, 3/2, 14/9, 11/7, 8/5, 18/11, 5/3, 27/16, 12/7, 7/4, 16/9, 9/5, 20/11, 11/6, 15/8,

One interesting thing I learned in making this: Because of the way self-similar construction tends to work, you end up with almost every possible combination of 5th. Wolf tones can be a problem. This would have been better off tuned in 12edo, or meantone, or something. But I like the brightness of the result, and the occasional funky interval is ok.

🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

Wonderful piece Caleb!

On 19/03/13 11:38 PM, calebmrgn wrote:
>
> https://www.box.com/s/g6313n63yhhl0cbubdtt
>
> This is worth hearing, and I'm *really* happy with it considering that
> it only took a day and a half of easy work.
>
> The idea is to test the self-similar idea before doing something more
> ambitious.
>
> My old 36-note JI scale quantized to 87 EDO.
>
> Number series it's based on. (Find the self-similarity!)
>
> 6,3,11,5,10,9,13,0,1,7,2,4,8,12
>
> Scored for PianoTech piano sound with a little harp, bell, string, and
> marimba.
>
> basis of tuning: 1/1, 16/15, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10, 10/9, 9/8, 8/7, 7/6,
> 32/27, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, 14/11, 9/7, 4/3, 15/11, 11/8, 7/5, 10/7, 16/11,
> 22/15, 3/2, 14/9, 11/7, 8/5, 18/11, 5/3, 27/16, 12/7, 7/4, 16/9, 9/5,
> 20/11, 11/6, 15/8,
>
> One interesting thing I learned in making this: Because of the way
> self-similar construction tends to work, you end up with almost every
> possible combination of 5th. Wolf tones can be a problem. This would
> have been better off tuned in 12edo, or meantone, or something. But I
> like the brightness of the result, and the occasional funky interval
> is ok.
>
>

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Nice piece!

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "calebmrgn" <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> https://www.box.com/s/g6313n63yhhl0cbubdtt
>
> This is worth hearing, and I'm *really* happy with it considering that it only took a day and a half of easy work.
>
> The idea is to test the self-similar idea before doing something more ambitious.
>
> My old 36-note JI scale quantized to 87 EDO.
>
> Number series it's based on. (Find the self-similarity!)
>
> 6,3,11,5,10,9,13,0,1,7,2,4,8,12
>
> Scored for PianoTech piano sound with a little harp, bell, string, and marimba.
>
> basis of tuning: 1/1, 16/15, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10, 10/9, 9/8, 8/7, 7/6, 32/27, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, 14/11, 9/7, 4/3, 15/11, 11/8, 7/5, 10/7, 16/11, 22/15, 3/2, 14/9, 11/7, 8/5, 18/11, 5/3, 27/16, 12/7, 7/4, 16/9, 9/5, 20/11, 11/6, 15/8,
>
>
> One interesting thing I learned in making this: Because of the way self-similar construction tends to work, you end up with almost every possible combination of 5th. Wolf tones can be a problem. This would have been better off tuned in 12edo, or meantone, or something. But I like the brightness of the result, and the occasional funky interval is ok.
>

🔗Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>

Thanks for the nice comments.

The algorithmic aspect is that I'm generating self-similar number series. Usually these have a version of themselves-plus-1 embedded with skips. Then, that number series is mapped to various scales.

I'm experimenting with more or less regular embeddings, and mappings to different kinds of scales.

One kind of mapping that I'm tending to use is where a 10-element series is assigned to two octaves of a pentatonic scale, or a 12-element series is assigned to two octaves of two 6-note scales, or a 14-element...7 note... or 16-element...to two octaves of octatonic scales.

That's the generative element.

Because the series, or shape, occurs at different speeds, it's natural to get these polyrhythms going.

The pieces that I make this way start with that general idea. Then the musicality (when there is some) is in the starting and stopping, the registers, the timbres, and the overall flow. That's intuitive, with some standard tricks.

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From: Kalle Aho <kalleaho@...>
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: [MMM] Re: Self Similar Study in E Mixo

Nice piece!

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🔗John Reed <dearjohnreed@...>

Caleb,
I really enjoyed this piece, in large part because it "unwinds" at a speed that you can take in the scale. The only thing I would ask for (perhaps in another piece) would be to hear more lingering complex chords, to get more of a sense of the harmonic relationship.

But I'm not crying, I really like this piece, Thanks,

John R

John Reed, Professor
School of Art
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University of Houston
Houston, TX 77204-4019
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From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
To: "MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com" <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: Self Similar Study in E Mixo

Thanks for the nice comments.

The algorithmic aspect is that I'm generating self-similar number series. Usually these have a version of themselves-plus-1 embedded with skips. Then, that number series is mapped to various scales.

I'm experimenting with more or less regular embeddings, and mappings to different kinds of scales.

That's the generative element.

Because the series, or shape, occurs at different speeds, it's natural to get these polyrhythms going.

________________________________
From: Kalle Aho <kalleaho@mappi.helsinki.fi>
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: [MMM] Re: Self Similar Study in E Mixo

Nice piece!

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

This is excellent! I'm not about the wolves because it all fitted together
beautifully to my ears.

Chris

On Tuesday, March 19, 2013, calebmrgn wrote:

> **
>
>
> https://www.box.com/s/g6313n63yhhl0cbubdtt
>
> This is worth hearing, and I'm *really* happy with it considering that it
> only took a day and a half of easy work.
>
> The idea is to test the self-similar idea before doing something more
> ambitious.
>
> My old 36-note JI scale quantized to 87 EDO.
>
> Number series it's based on. (Find the self-similarity!)
>
> 6,3,11,5,10,9,13,0,1,7,2,4,8,12
>
> Scored for PianoTech piano sound with a little harp, bell, string, and
> marimba.
>
> basis of tuning: 1/1, 16/15, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10, 10/9, 9/8, 8/7, 7/6,
> 32/27, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, 14/11, 9/7, 4/3, 15/11, 11/8, 7/5, 10/7, 16/11,
> 22/15, 3/2, 14/9, 11/7, 8/5, 18/11, 5/3, 27/16, 12/7, 7/4, 16/9, 9/5,
> 20/11, 11/6, 15/8,
>
> One interesting thing I learned in making this: Because of the way
> self-similar construction tends to work, you end up with almost every
> possible combination of 5th. Wolf tones can be a problem. This would have
> been better off tuned in 12edo, or meantone, or something. But I like the
> brightness of the result, and the occasional funky interval is ok.
>
>
>

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🔗Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>

Thanks, Chris!

Next up for me: Similar idea, but with some underlying slow-moving chords, so the scales will change.

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From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
To: "MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com" <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MMM] Self Similar Study in E Mixo

This is excellent! I'm not about the wolves because it all fitted together
beautifully to my ears.

Chris

On Tuesday, March 19, 2013, calebmrgn wrote:

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