Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]

This sucks.
Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.

--- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com, "makemicromusic" <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM

[also x-posted]

Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we

couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you

mind posting it here?

-Mike

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

> Tis true:

> http://www.nonoctave.com/

> I guess this means no more LMSO...?

> -Mike

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
excluded).

We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
think it is a good idea to lose him.

Chris

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> This sucks.
> Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.
>
> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
> Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com, "makemicromusic" <
> MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM
>
>
>
>
> [also x-posted]
>
> Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we
>
> couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you
>
> mind posting it here?
>
> -Mike
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Tis true:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.nonoctave.com/
>
> >
>
> > I guess this means no more LMSO...?
>
> >
>
> > -Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

🔗Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>

You're right, but I'm still stunned. He and his business seem like the least likely targets for abuse that I could imagine.

--- On Tue, 7/3/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:46 PM

Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
excluded).

We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
think it is a good idea to lose him.

Chris

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Yahoo! Groups Links

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🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

It is safe to assume the person in question is the same one who
vandalized Wilson's Wikipedia entry.

On 4/07/12 9:52 AM, Caleb Morgan wrote:
>
> You're right, but I'm still stunned. He and his business seem like
> the least likely targets for abuse that I could imagine.
>
> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:46 PM
>
> Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
> how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
> excluded).
>
> We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
> think it is a good idea to lose him.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...
> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > This sucks.
> > Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
> > To: tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "makemicromusic" <
> > MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [also x-posted]
> >
> > Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we
> >
> > couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you
> >
> > mind posting it here?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia
> <battaglia01@... <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Tis true:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > http://www.nonoctave.com/
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I guess this means no more LMSO...?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -Mike
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> Sure, go ahead and build bridges. I also have an interest in replacing
> everything that paid software can do with things that free software
> can do.

Also, for the record, I don't really want to get into the fight here
or whatever went down. Sucks that Jeff's seen so much abuse in his
time in the community, and the story about the guy who wanted to track
down and kill his family was truly disturbing. I agree that nobody
should have to deal with that.

But I do think it's a shame that LMSO isn't out there anymore, since
it was a tool many people seemed to depend on for making actual
microtonal music. For instance, if Jeff wants to retire from the
community and internet flamewars, he can always open source LMSO or
put it out as freeware, as many retiring developers do. But from his
post it doesn't seem like that's his intention, and rather that he
wants LMSO to just be gone, period. To be honest I don't like that,
since it makes it harder for everyone to make music and seems like
kind of a "fuck all you guys guess what no more LMSO" type thing. But,
you know, it's his right to do whatever he wants with his software.

So now I'm just curious to see what was lost, and what you can't do in
Scala. I think the main thing was the functionality that retunes Logic
softsynths, so I wonder how hard it'd be to code up some simple app to
do some of that in JUCE or whatever. I don't actually have LMSO so I'm
not sure what its features are. I was hoping to purchase it in the
coming months, once I get a bit of money saved up (lol recession), but
that's not an option anymore.

-Mike

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>

Disgraceful. I sympathize with X. J. Scott, since I myself have felt so much pushed around even after so much personal strides in my career and still granted not much else than (now self-maintained) isolation. This, amidst all the chaos that is the political mess in Turkey affecting jobs, liberties, progress...

Too bad, just too darn awful.

Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:01 AM, kraiggrady wrote:

> It is safe to assume the person in question is the same one who
> vandalized Wilson's Wikipedia entry.
>
> On 4/07/12 9:52 AM, Caleb Morgan wrote:
>>
>> You're right, but I'm still stunned. He and his business seem like
>> the least likely targets for abuse that I could imagine.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
>> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:46 PM
>>
>> Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
>> how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
>> excluded).
>>
>> We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
>> think it is a good idea to lose him.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...
>> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> This sucks.
>>> Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
>>> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "makemicromusic" <
>>> MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [also x-posted]
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we
>>>
>>> couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you
>>>
>>> mind posting it here?
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia
>> <battaglia01@... <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tis true:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.nonoctave.com/
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I guess this means no more LMSO...?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> signature file
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>
> _'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> a momentary antenna as i turn to water
> this evaporates - an island once again
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

Yes it is totally disgraceful and we should be concerned with X. J.
Scott not feeling isolated in this situation as these situations tend to do.

On 4/07/12 12:05 PM, Ozan Yarman wrote:
>
> Disgraceful. I sympathize with X. J. Scott, since I myself have felt
> so much pushed around even after so much personal strides in my career
> and still granted not much else than (now self-maintained) isolation.
> This, amidst all the chaos that is the political mess in Turkey
> affecting jobs, liberties, progress...
>
> Too bad, just too darn awful.
>
> Oz.
>
> ? ? ?
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:01 AM, kraiggrady wrote:
>
> > It is safe to assume the person in question is the same one who
> > vandalized Wilson's Wikipedia entry.
> >
> > On 4/07/12 9:52 AM, Caleb Morgan wrote:
> >>
> >> You're right, but I'm still stunned. He and his business seem like
> >> the least likely targets for abuse that I could imagine.
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
> >> Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
> >> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:46 PM
> >>
> >> Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
> >> how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
> >> excluded).
> >>
> >> We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
> >> think it is a good idea to lose him.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...
> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>
> >> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This sucks.
> >>> Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.
> >>>
> >>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
> >>> Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
> >>> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >> "makemicromusic" <
> >>> MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [also x-posted]
> >>>
> >>> Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we
> >>>
> >>> couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you
> >>>
> >>> mind posting it here?
> >>>
> >>> -Mike
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia
> >> <battaglia01@... <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Tis true:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.nonoctave.com/
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> I guess this means no more LMSO...?
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> -Mike
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > signature file
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
> >
> > _'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> > a momentary antenna as i turn to water
> > this evaporates - an island once again
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

--
signature file

/^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

a momentary antenna as i turn to water
this evaporates - an island once again

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

For the record, Igs has publicly come out on XA and said he was the guy who
got in the fight with Jeff. He's not the original guy who was hating on Erv
Wilson and was threatening to track him down and kill his family though,
that was someone else. So Igs isn't a psycho killer (fa fa fa fa fa).

They got in an argument about technology or something as far as I can tell.
I wasn't there but you can read the thread on XA if you want. I'm not sure
what the real story is and don't want to take sides. Clearly Jeff's
feelings are hurt and I hope they can sort it out. I'm just posting this so
people know the whole thing's a fairly complex situation.

I still maintain it'd be a good idea for us to try and code up some of the
functionality of LMSO that's not in other programs.

-Mike

On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:

Yes it is totally disgraceful and we should be concerned with X. J.
Scott not feeling isolated in this situation as these situations tend to do.

--
signature file

/^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

a momentary antenna as i turn to water
this evaporates - an island once again

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

Perhaps a petition of support is in order somehow.~~

On 4/07/12 2:16 PM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> For the record, Igs has publicly come out on XA and said he was the guy who
> got in the fight with Jeff. He's not the original guy who was hating on Erv
> Wilson and was threatening to track him down and kill his family though,
> that was someone else. So Igs isn't a psycho killer (fa fa fa fa fa).
>
> They got in an argument about technology or something as far as I can tell.
> I wasn't there but you can read the thread on XA if you want. I'm not sure
> what the real story is and don't want to take sides. Clearly Jeff's
> feelings are hurt and I hope they can sort it out. I'm just posting this so
> people know the whole thing's a fairly complex situation.
>
> I still maintain it'd be a good idea for us to try and code up some of the
> functionality of LMSO that's not in other programs.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes it is totally disgraceful and we should be concerned with X. J.
> Scott not feeling isolated in this situation as these situations tend to do.
>
> On 4/07/12 12:05 PM, Ozan Yarman wrote:
>> Disgraceful. I sympathize with X. J. Scott, since I myself have felt
>> so much pushed around even after so much personal strides in my career
>> and still granted not much else than (now self-maintained) isolation.
>> This, amidst all the chaos that is the political mess in Turkey
>> affecting jobs, liberties, progress...
>>
>> Too bad, just too darn awful.
>>
>> Oz.
>>
>> ? ? ?
>> www.ozanyarman.com
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:01 AM, kraiggrady wrote:
>>
>>> It is safe to assume the person in question is the same one who
>>> vandalized Wilson's Wikipedia entry.
>>>
>>> On 4/07/12 9:52 AM, Caleb Morgan wrote:
>>>> You're right, but I'm still stunned. He and his business seem like
>>>> the least likely targets for abuse that I could imagine.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
>>>> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:46 PM
>>>>
>>>> Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
>>>> how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
>>>> excluded).
>>>>
>>>> We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
>>>> think it is a good idea to lose him.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...
>> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>
>>>> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This sucks.
>>>>> Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
>>>>> Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
>>>>> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> "makemicromusic" <
>>>>> MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [also x-posted]
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we
>>>>>
>>>>> couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you
>>>>>
>>>>> mind posting it here?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia
>>>> <battaglia01@... <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tis true:
>>>>>> http://www.nonoctave.com/
>>>>>> I guess this means no more LMSO...?
>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> signature file
>>>
>>> /^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
>>> Mesotonal Music from:
>>> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
>>> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>>>
>>> _'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
>>> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>>>
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🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

Not sure what type of petition you mean... I don't want to sign a petition
that takes Jeff's side over Igs' since I wasn't there. But I'd definitely
sign one stating that I think Jeff a valuable member of the community and
wish he comes back in general.

FWIW, I only found out about nonoctave a while ago but really liked the
vibe there... Great music posted all the time by Carlo, Chris and others...
Lots of compositional experience there.

-Mike

On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:31 AM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:

Perhaps a petition of support is in order somehow.~~

On 4/07/12 2:16 PM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> For the record, Igs has publicly come out on XA and said he was the guy
who
> got in the fight with Jeff. He's not the original guy who was hating on
Erv
> Wilson and was threatening to track him down and kill his family though,
> that was someone else. So Igs isn't a psycho killer (fa fa fa fa fa).
>
> They got in an argument about technology or something as far as I can
tell.
> I wasn't there but you can read the thread on XA if you want. I'm not sure
> what the real story is and don't want to take sides. Clearly Jeff's
> feelings are hurt and I hope they can sort it out. I'm just posting this
so
> people know the whole thing's a fairly complex situation.
>
> I still maintain it'd be a good idea for us to try and code up some of the
> functionality of LMSO that's not in other programs.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes it is totally disgraceful and we should be concerned with X. J.
> Scott not feeling isolated in this situation as these situations tend to
do.
>
> On 4/07/12 12:05 PM, Ozan Yarman wrote:
>> Disgraceful. I sympathize with X. J. Scott, since I myself have felt
>> so much pushed around even after so much personal strides in my career
>> and still granted not much else than (now self-maintained) isolation.
>> This, amidst all the chaos that is the political mess in Turkey
>> affecting jobs, liberties, progress...
>>
>> Too bad, just too darn awful.
>>
>> Oz.
>>
>> ? ? ?
>> www.ozanyarman.com
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:01 AM, kraiggrady wrote:
>>
>>> It is safe to assume the person in question is the same one who
>>> vandalized Wilson's Wikipedia entry.
>>>
>>> On 4/07/12 9:52 AM, Caleb Morgan wrote:
>>>> You're right, but I'm still stunned. He and his business seem like
>>>> the least likely targets for abuse that I could imagine.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...
>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
>>>> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:46 PM
>>>>
>>>> Instead of finding a way to live without LMSO why are we not discussing
>>>> how to re-build the bridges? (psychotic person mentioned on his site
>>>> excluded).
>>>>
>>>> We are a small community - Jeff is smart and real contributor. I don't
>>>> think it is a good idea to lose him.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...
>> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>
>>>> <mailto:calebmrgn%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This sucks.
>>>>> Great guy, great program. LMSO has been an enormous help.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@gmail.com
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
>>>>> Subject: [MMM] Re: nonoctave.com is gone [x-post]
>>>>> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> "makemicromusic" <
>>>>> MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 6:33 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [also x-posted]
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if anyone has a list of features that LMSO can do which we
>>>>>
>>>>> couldn't do in anything else, e.g. things Scala can't do, would you
>>>>>
>>>>> mind posting it here?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Mike Battaglia
>>>> <battaglia01@... <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>
>> <mailto:battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tis true:
>>>>>> http://www.nonoctave.com/
>>>>>> I guess this means no more LMSO...?
>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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or the person decided to identify himself a this person.
all one has to do is look at the history on the page

On 4/07/12 5:55 PM, kraiggrady wrote:
>
> The person who vandalized Wilson Wikipedia page
> appears to be this person
> who runs this site
> http://www.microtonalist.com/
> it also appears another individual has also attempted this in the last
> two days. you can view the history.
>
> On 4/07/12 8:18 AM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> >
> > Tis true:
> >
> > http://www.nonoctave.com/
> >
> > I guess this means no more LMSO...?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
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Yeah, I remember Ron Sword telling me about him. Apparently he's been known
to go over to Sword Guitar forums at ninestring.org and start shit. I'm
pretty sure he's a huge fan of Jon Catler too. He has this video here

http://vimeo.com/31764730

It's pretty good.

-Mike

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:06 AM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> or the person decided to identify himself a this person.
> all one has to do is look at the history on the page
>
>
> On 4/07/12 5:55 PM, kraiggrady wrote:
> >
> > The person who vandalized Wilson Wikipedia page
> > appears to be this person
> > who runs this site
> > http://www.microtonalist.com/
> > it also appears another individual has also attempted this in the last
> > two days. you can view the history.
> >
> > On 4/07/12 8:18 AM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> > >
> > > Tis true:
> > >
> > > http://www.nonoctave.com/
> > >
> > > I guess this means no more LMSO...?
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > _'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
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>
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🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

Thanks for the feedback. It is good to know
i could not track down who Tom McSane who is responsible of the the
latest two dsys attempts.
doesn't sound like a real name.

i had one a while back where they emailed and harrassed everyone on my
links page.

On 4/07/12 6:09 PM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> Yeah, I remember Ron Sword telling me about him. Apparently he's been known
> to go over to Sword Guitar forums at ninestring.org and start shit. I'm
> pretty sure he's a huge fan of Jon Catler too. He has this video here
>
> http://vimeo.com/31764730
>
> It's pretty good.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:06 AM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> or the person decided to identify himself a this person.
>> all one has to do is look at the history on the page
>>
>>
>> On 4/07/12 5:55 PM, kraiggrady wrote:
>>> The person who vandalized Wilson Wikipedia page
>>> appears to be this person
>>> who runs this site
>>> http://www.microtonalist.com/
>>> it also appears another individual has also attempted this in the last
>>> two days. you can view the history.
>>>
>>> On 4/07/12 8:18 AM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
>>>> Tis true:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nonoctave.com/
>>>>
>>>> I guess this means no more LMSO...?
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
>>> _'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
>>> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>>>
>>> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
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>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> _'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
>> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>>
>> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>>
>> a momentary antenna as i turn to water
>> this evaporates - an island once again
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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Todd McSane
On 4/07/12 6:15 PM, kraiggrady wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback. It is good to know
> i could not track down who Tom McSane who is responsible of the the
> latest two dsys attempts.
> doesn't sound like a real name.
>
> i had one a while back where they emailed and harrassed everyone on my
> links page.
>
> On 4/07/12 6:09 PM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> > Yeah, I remember Ron Sword telling me about him. Apparently he's
> been known
> > to go over to Sword Guitar forums at ninestring.org and start shit. I'm
> > pretty sure he's a huge fan of Jon Catler too. He has this video here
> >
> > http://vimeo.com/31764730
> >
> > It's pretty good.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:06 AM, kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...
> <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> or the person decided to identify himself a this person.
> >> all one has to do is look at the history on the page
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/07/12 5:55 PM, kraiggrady wrote:
> >>> The person who vandalized Wilson Wikipedia page
> >>> appears to be this person
> >>> who runs this site
> >>> http://www.microtonalist.com/
> >>> it also appears another individual has also attempted this in the last
> >>> two days. you can view the history.
> >>>
> >>> On 4/07/12 8:18 AM, Mike Battaglia wrote:
> >>>> Tis true:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.nonoctave.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess this means no more LMSO...?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> >>>
> >>> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
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>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
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