Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Harmonics 24 through 48 Inclusive as a 24 ET substitute.

Hi Chris,
your piece is wonderful and scale very interesting.
I am puzzled, though, because of the 3's in the denominators.
Where do they come frome in a harmonic scale (apart from density)?
As a matter of fact, I get the same scale as yours by using Scala; using excel instead, putting integers 24 to 47 in column A, formula 1200*MOD(LOG(A1;2);1) in B1, copying and reordering terms, I get this one instead:

0
53.27294323
104.9554095
155.1396203
203.9100017
251.3440388
297.5130161
342.4826626
386.3137139
429.0624055
470.7809073
511.5177056
551.3179424
590.2237156
628.2743473
665.506622
701.9550009
772.6274277
840.5276618
905.8650026
968.8259065
1029.577194
1088.268715
1145.035572
[2/1]

Well, probably I am making some mistakes, it is almost 2 am here...
Good night,
Claudi

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> The piece and scala file can be downloaded here
> http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=2344
> (played online there too)
>
> This tuning was tried out based on some ides of Denny Genovese. I really
> enjoyed it and recommended it.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

🔗chrisvaisvil@...

Thanks for the kisten and comment!

All I did was use scala's harmonic series scale creation function. So I find it odd that something isodd if you know what I mean.

Chris
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From: "clamengh" <clamengh@...>
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:46:21
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Well, probably I am making some mistakes, it is almost 2 am here...
Good night,
Claudi

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🔗clamengh <clamengh@...>

Yes, I meant something alike :-)
It looks like that Scala's ratios are built by dividing by the lowest harmonic you choose in the menu.
For instance, your scale is:
24/24
25/24
26/24=13/12
....
I realised this by using scala's harmonic series scale creation function from 24 to 25.
My scale was built using 24th to 47th harmonics of the fundamental "1" instead.
I'd say it's a matter of definitions.
Bye,
Claudi

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, chrisvaisvil@... wrote:
>
> Thanks for the kisten and comment!
>
> All I did was use scala's harmonic series scale creation function. So I find it odd that something isodd if you know what I mean.
>
> Chris
> *
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "clamengh" <clamengh@...>
> Sender: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:46:21
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MMM] Re: Harmonics 24 through 48 Inclusive as a 24 ET substitute.
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
> your piece is wonderful and scale very interesting.
> I am puzzled, though, because of the 3's in the denominators.
> Where do they come frome in a harmonic scale (apart from density)?
> As a matter of fact, I get the same scale as yours by using Scala; using excel instead, putting integers 24 to 47 in column A, formula 1200*MOD(LOG(A1;2);1) in B1, copying and reordering terms, I get this one instead:
>
> 0
> 53.27294323
> 104.9554095
> 155.1396203
> 203.9100017
> 251.3440388
> 297.5130161
> 342.4826626
> 386.3137139
> 429.0624055
> 470.7809073
> 511.5177056
> 551.3179424
> 590.2237156
> 628.2743473
> 665.506622
> 701.9550009
> 772.6274277
> 840.5276618
> 905.8650026
> 968.8259065
> 1029.577194
> 1088.268715
> 1145.035572
> [2/1]
>
> Well, probably I am making some mistakes, it is almost 2 am here...
> Good night,
> Claudi
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@> wrote:
> >
> > The piece and scala file can be downloaded here
> > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=2344
> > (played online there too)
> >
> > This tuning was tried out based on some ides of Denny Genovese. I really
> > enjoyed it and recommended it.
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

🔗John Reed <dearjohnreed@...>

Chris,
I enjoyed that piece so much; you don't often run across a scale that has so much variety in harmony and dissonance (if you know what I mean). The "harmonic" mood can be so varied even when the tempo of the playing is steady. It's like having an extra layer on the sound cake. Fantastic.

John R

John Reed, Professor
School of Art
100 Fine Arts Building
University of Houston
Houston, TX 77204-4019
+1 (832) 282 8293

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Subject: [MMM] Re: Harmonics 24 through 48 Inclusive as a 24 ET substitute.

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🔗chrisvaisvil@...

Thank you John!

The credit should go to Denny Genovese and Nature :-)

Chris
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 06:40:25
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Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: Harmonics 24 through 48 Inclusive as a 24 ET substitute.

John R

John Reed, Professor
School of Art
100 Fine Arts Building
University of Houston
Houston, TX 77204-4019
+1 (832) 282 8293

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🔗Jake Freivald <jdfreivald@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Thanks Jake!

Mmmm I'm guessing 75+% - but I recorded this directly in pianoteq (I'm
starting to do that a lot) and I'm pretty sure I saved the midi file
as well as the exported wav. I'd be glad to make that midi file
available - and also take a look at it.

I guess calling this a 24 et substitute is ironic indeed! The reason I
said that is because I've been thinking about 24 et a lot of late and
when I saw this "mode" of the harmonic series as Denny calls it I said
the same thing you are thinking - I bet is it sounds better than 24 et
because it is JI but hey - 24 notes! I think it does but yet has all
of the resources. And it seems to have little or none of the
downsides. I didn't run into the odd pattern asymmetry JI tends to
have. I think it may be "just right".

Chris

On 5/22/12, Jake Freivald <jdfreivald@...> wrote:
> I like it. How many of the notes did you use?
>
> It's ironic that you call the scale "a 24 ET substitute", when 24 EDO is
> itself a substitute for just intervals when it's considered as a
> temperament, no? :) At any rate, I don't get some of the harshness from
> this that I often get from 24 EDO. Whether that's psychological -- am I
> expecting less harshness because I know it's a just scale? -- is another
> question.
>
> Regards,
> Jake
>
>
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>
>

🔗John H. Chalmers <JHCHALMERS@...>

🔗chrisvaisvil@...

Hi John,

I have not. Have you? It sounds like an interesting idea to try.

Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John H. Chalmers" <JHCHALMERS@...>
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:54:20
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Subject: [MMM] Re: Harmonics 24 through 48 Inclusive as a 24 ET substitute.

Chris: Have you experimented with the subharmonic version of this scale?

--John

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🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

Erv had a subharmonic guitar tuned to this series

What comes to my mind is the 24 tone diaphonic cycle which is the last
one on the first page [appears in later pages also]
http://anaphoria.com/DiaphonicCycles.pdf

The straight harmonic series can get bit stuck having everything
pointing to one tonic
On 24/05/12 12:04 PM, chrisvaisvil@... wrote:
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> Hi John,
>
> I have not. Have you? It sounds like an interesting idea to try.
>
> Chris
> *
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> <mailto:JHCHALMERS%40UCSD.EDU>>
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> Subject: [MMM] Re: Harmonics 24 through 48 Inclusive as a 24 ET
> substitute.
>
> Chris: Have you experimented with the subharmonic version of this scale?
>
> --John
>
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>

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I wasn't able to count them - yet but here is a score (with reduced timing)
http://micro.soonlabel.com/harmonic_series/harmonics24-48p.pdf

and the midi as promised

http://micro.soonlabel.com/harmonic_series/harmonics24-48p.mid

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jake Freivald <jdfreivald@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I like it. How many of the notes did you use?
>
> It's ironic that you call the scale "a 24 ET substitute", when 24 EDO is
> itself a substitute for just intervals when it's considered as a
> temperament, no? :) At any rate, I don't get some of the harshness from
> this that I often get from 24 EDO. Whether that's psychological -- am I
> expecting less harshness because I know it's a just scale? -- is another
> question.
>
> Regards,
> Jake
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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🔗kraiggrady <kraiggrady@...>

this while one a 22 tone scale shows a diaphonic cycle in its harmonic
version
http://wilsonarchives.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/22-tone-diaphonic-scale.html

On 25/05/12 12:36 PM, Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> I wasn't able to count them - yet but here is a score (with reduced timing)
> http://micro.soonlabel.com/harmonic_series/harmonics24-48p.pdf
>
> and the midi as promised
>
> http://micro.soonlabel.com/harmonic_series/harmonics24-48p.mid
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jake Freivald<jdfreivald@...>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I like it. How many of the notes did you use?
>>
>> It's ironic that you call the scale "a 24 ET substitute", when 24 EDO is
>> itself a substitute for just intervals when it's considered as a
>> temperament, no? :) At any rate, I don't get some of the harshness from
>> this that I often get from 24 EDO. Whether that's psychological -- am I
>> expecting less harshness because I know it's a just scale? -- is another
>> question.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jake
>>
>>
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/^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

a momentary antenna as i turn to water
this evaporates - an island once again

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